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Phoenixpyre 03-07-07, 04:55 PM	Sorry for the "Where's the..." post, but I'm playing an effigy master for the first time, and its mentioned alot in the effigy posts but I can't find where.
Nat_20 03-07-07, 05:04 PM	The only paragon i can think of is from the unearthed arcana and paragons are racial classes
Melpomene 03-07-07, 05:07 PM	Paragons are in UA, ELH, and in Monte Cook's Arcana Evolved. I think the one you want was the one from the Epic Handbook.
Richmud 03-07-07, 06:27 PM	Here is a link to the SRD where it can be found: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/paragonCreature.htm
darrylhaines 03-08-07, 03:12 AM	I would go with the one from the epic level handbook. Look at the Paragon Mindflayer and it gives you the template right after it. Plus there is no Level Ajustment for a paragon (in the ELH).
Witch 03-08-07, 03:16 AM	Plus there is no Level Ajustment for a paragon (in the ELH). That means that it's "LA: --", not that it's "LA: +0". Paragon wasn't intended for players. In the case you do use it, put it at about 18.
darrylhaines 03-08-07, 06:54 AM	As the ELH doesn't give it an LA, I'm going to stick with LA+0 as the template in Etools is LA+0 as well.
betrayor 03-08-07, 08:13 AM	As the ELH doesn't give it an LA, I'm going to stick with LA+0 as the template in Etools is LA+0 as well. Sorry but this is completely absurd.Do you mean that you get all these benefits for free?I don't think so.Use the savage species to come up with a level adjustment for the paragon template.My calculation made it a +15 if not higher.
Richmud 03-08-07, 08:59 AM	As the ELH doesn't give it an LA, I'm going to stick with LA+0 as the template in Etools is LA+0 as well. You are aware that a first level paragon half-elf commoner can destroy every cr1 creature in existence by itself right? Also its AC would be 39 before including its massive dex bonus, it will have more HP then a barbarian with 18 con, Its attack bonus is higher then a first level fighter with 20str weapon focus and a +5 weapon, Its SR can't be beaten by a caster below 15th level and that requires taking feats. These are inappropriate abilities for a first level character
darrylhaines 03-08-07, 09:15 AM	These are inappropriate abilities for a first level character It would be fun though :D I see what you mean though, it looks like there going to have to fix it whenever they release a ELH v3.5 I suppose. I was going to have so much fun in the epic campiagn as well.....My DM might let me get away with it as if you bring the book your template/feats are in and he see's them he lets them be used.....I might have to beg in this case though:D
Witch 03-08-07, 09:25 AM	As the ELH doesn't give it an LA, I'm going to stick with LA+0 as the template in Etools is LA+0 as well. Not being given a level adjustment means it shouldn't be used for players, normally. It doesn't mean its level adjustment is zero.
Warforged Goblin 03-08-07, 09:29 AM	As the ELH doesn't give it an LA, I'm going to stick with LA+0 as the template in Etools is LA+0 as well. Remind me NEVER to make a typo...:rolleyes: *cough*munchkin*cough*
obrysii 03-08-07, 09:36 AM	As the ELH doesn't give it an LA, I'm going to stick with LA+0 as the template in Etools is LA+0 as well. The Paragon template easily surpasses the Monster of Legend template, that has an LA +7. The Paragon template is easily LA +10. Edit: After rereading the template, it is LA +12 or higher