Why is a ranger better than an elf? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Why is a ranger better than an elf? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Amaranth445
03-21-07, 10:07 AM people keep on telling me that a ranger is better than an elf is this true?
YabaTheWhat
03-21-07, 10:46 AM The two things are unrelated. Either that or you're misunderstanding what they're saying. Maybe a ranger is better as an elf. (Better than, for example, a human or a dwarf.)
Return of the Flumph
03-21-07, 11:50 AM First edition?
Mirandul
03-21-07, 11:58 AM you mean OD&D? first edition had classes and race separated.
Seldriss
03-21-07, 12:07 PM Unless that's an elf ranger ;)

Seriously, Amaranth, you are mixing apples and oranges (or in this case, blackberries and mushrooms).
Ranger is a class, like fighter, rogue, wizard.
And Elf is a race, like human, dwarf, goblin.
There is no real opposition between the one and the other. A character can be both (elf ranger).
Finfreeze
03-21-07, 12:09 PM The only good elf is a dead elf, so it's only natural for a ranger to be better than an elf.
Seldriss
03-21-07, 12:13 PM you mean OD&D? first edition had classes and race separated.
Not really. AD&D 1st edition was the same than now in D&D3.5 : Choose a race then a class.
You are refering to D&D Basic, where some races were combinations of race/class.
The elf was kind of a fighter/mage.
Millennium
03-21-07, 12:15 PM you mean OD&D? first edition had classes and race separated.
OD&D didn't have rangers at all, though.

And here I was hoping for a joke thread...

Q: How do you tell the difference between a male elf and a female elf?
A: I don't know, but neither do they.
Elvez4ever
03-21-07, 01:06 PM The only good elf is a dead elf, so it's only natural for a ranger to be better than an elf.

Q: How do you tell the difference between a male elf and a female elf?
A: I don't know, but neither do they.

I resent that. :ahem:

:D
Ventilatory_Threshold
03-21-07, 01:14 PM I resent that. :ahem:
Don't. Accept it. If you can accept this, I can forgive you for your name.
Orchomenos
03-21-07, 02:36 PM Ranger can use a greatsword. Elves can't.
Finfreeze
03-21-07, 02:45 PM Elf needs food badly.
Ranger gets along in the wild.
Elf is about to die.
Sudnji_cas
03-21-07, 03:10 PM Yay, elf-hating!
kaionon
03-21-07, 03:19 PM Please, this entire thread is stupid. No more posting so it falls of the front page.
(It was at the top when I posted this, so i'm not being ironic)
TheCarrionCrawler
03-21-07, 04:56 PM I'm disappointed! :mad: The title led me to believe that this was going to be a riddle or a dirty limerick or the name of a saucy puppet show!
NineInchNall
03-21-07, 07:17 PM You mean something like, "Why is a raven like a writing desk?"
myusernameis
03-21-07, 09:19 PM OO! OO! OO! Why NineInchNail? Why?
Nat_20
03-21-07, 11:13 PM Oh my god... do i see a "Can an elf wield a greatsword II" about to start up???

Hopefully we can get this one to 1,205 posts also...
Tralan
03-21-07, 11:23 PM You mean something like, "Why is a raven like a writing desk?"

They're both birds... except for the writing desk.
Willie the Duck
03-21-07, 11:47 PM I resent that. :ahem:

:D

Yes, but no one cares.

:D
AZNsupermarket
03-21-07, 11:51 PM This thread seems to be a reference to this famous old joke thread on the enworld forums: http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=130793
Max the Immortal
03-22-07, 01:58 AM Seriously, Amaranth, you are mixing apples and oranges (or in this case, blackberries and mushrooms).

More like hamburgers and copper.
Treymordin
03-22-07, 09:10 AM An elf, if he took the proficiency or the class allowed him it, could use a great sword. Thus the argument and the thread are irrelevant.
khyron1144
03-22-07, 09:19 AM people keep on telling me that a ranger is better than an elf is this true?

Better at what and under what circumstances?

Why not be both? There is no inherent contradiction. In fact, Elf as a race, fits the flavor of Ranger, as a class, fairly well and vice versa.
Ventilatory_Threshold
03-22-07, 11:01 AM An elf, if he took the proficiency or the class allowed him it, could use a great sword.
Please cite your source for this outrageous statement.
The Ubbergeek
03-22-07, 12:27 PM Please cite your source for this outrageous statement.

If a priestress of eilistraee (both surface elf or drow) can use a bastard sword with lethal effect, a warrior can use a greatsword.

Face it; elves are ok. :P Not as much as an human, but sure better than a knee-bitter. :P

Seriously, the level of hate some guys show toward fictional races, be it elves or furries by example.... It's eerie, to say the least.
Bhaal006
03-22-07, 01:00 PM So I've made a new feat that elves get a 1st level, check it out...

Cancer:
Prerequisite: Elf
Benefit: All elves start the game with cancer and recieve a -8 to all ability scores, this stacks with the -2 penalty to constitution, meaning that if you roll less than a 10 for your constitution score your character died at birth.

also...

Not Cancer:
Prerequisite: Cancer, Level 9
Benefit: If an elven character ever wants to be rid of their horible cancer now is their only chance as this feat may ONLY be taken at level 9,
if the charcter takes this feat it takes effect at level 10, at which point the penalties from cancer are reduced to -2 instead of -8, this stacks with the -2penalty to constitution Elves normally recieve.
Tempest Stormwind
03-22-07, 01:06 PM You mean something like, "Why is a raven like a writing desk?"Why is it that whenever this one comes up, someone invariably posts something like:OO! OO! OO! Why NineInchNail? Why?I think the truth is because people haven't read enough Lewis Carroll -- or perhaps they haven't heard of Google. I mean, I don't read things just because they're "classic" (in fact, I figure that things that survive because they're "classics" often have no merit to themselves besides being "classics" -- that is, they endure because English teachers want them to endure), but Alice in Wonderland? Come ON, if you haven't read that, get off the Internet. :PThere's several different "answers", but Carroll wrote this in some later editions of Alice in Wonderland:Enquiries have been so often addressed to me, as to whether any answer to the Hatter's Riddle can be imagined, that I may as well put on record here what seems to me to be a fairly appropriate answer, viz: `Because it can produce a few notes, tho they are very flat; and it is never put with the wrong end in front!' This, however, is merely an afterthought; the Riddle, as originally invented, had no answer at all.So, it had no answer, but was merely meant to be whimsical -- sort of like most of his delightful genius, no?

(Aside: A few sites I found while looking for that exact quote call attention to that last bit, claiming that the original was "it is nevar put with the wrong end in front". "Nevar" = "raven" backwards, which makes that last line true for both desks and ravens. Linguistic puns like that are a thing of beauty -- however, I can't confirm that this is in fact the case beyond those websites. I'm away from my own copy right now.)

That said, the most common answer I've heard is NOT the one given above but rather "Because [Edgar Allen] Poe wrote on both." I don't know where that answer first originated, but I'm willing to bet it wasn't Carroll.

If you also haven't read Douglas Adams, not only should you get off the Internet, but you should lock your doors and windows at night and sleep with a defensive weapon next to your bed, for I might just send ninja death-squads after you.
Raptorial
03-22-07, 02:10 PM Cancer:
Prerequisite: Elf
Benefit: All elves start the game with cancer and recieve a -8 to all ability scores, this stacks with the -2 penalty to constitution, meaning that if you roll less than a 10 for your constitution score your character died at birth.
I don't find this funny. :mad: I've lost a lot of family members to cancer. I don't get why a thread like this is made, proceeded by endless elf-bashing and insane comments.
Warforged Goblin
03-22-07, 02:22 PM ELFS SUXX0RZ ALL OVA TEH PLACE!!!1!!1 MY HALF-FANG DARGON SHIFTER MONK/WARSHAPER IS TEH BETTERS RACE!!1!

Here's a suggestion: If you don't like a race, don't play it. That's it. Don't bash them, don't make stupid feats that penalize them for no reason, don't insult or belittle people who enjoy playing them. Me, I like dwarves. Always have, always will. And granted, my stuntie can drink your elf under the table, but your elf will win the dance contest.

And BTW, dwarf ranger FTW. Favored enemy goblin or giants and matched mithril dwarven war axe and adamantine hand axe all the way. :D
The Ubbergeek
03-22-07, 02:52 PM If you hate that much a non-existing race, in my book, you need councelling perhaps.
Ventilatory_Threshold
03-22-07, 05:19 PM [Dumbass Smart person]
ELFS SUXX0RZ ALL OVA TEH PLACE!!!1!!1 MY HALF-FANG DARGON SHIFTER MONK/WARSHAPER IS TEH BETTERS RACE!!1!
[/Dumbass Smart person]
Ficksed for yue!
If you hate that much a non-existing race, in my book, you need councelling perhaps.
I've had councelling. It was for APD, though.
The_Shaman
03-22-07, 09:26 PM Pfft, VT, I get the feeling you either are or until very soon were an elf fanboy ;) .
Ventilatory_Threshold
03-22-07, 09:34 PM Pfft, VT, I get the feeling you either are or until very soon were an elf fanboy ;) .
Yes, I was such a fanboy that I booed at the LotR trilogy (both the books and the movie) everytime Legolas got mentioned. Same went for every other Elf mentioned.

I also used tip-ex to cover up every mention of an Elf to keep myself from spitting involuntarily when I read them.
Yadot
03-22-07, 09:35 PM Pfft, VT, I get the feeling you either are or until very soon were an elf fanboy ;) .
No, V_T has always been against the worthless elves. It was he who found out that elves have a racial cap of 1d6 damage for all weapons that they weild.
Ventilatory_Threshold
03-22-07, 09:42 PM I actually think that was someone else, but I strongly supported the idea.
Kresalak
03-22-07, 09:43 PM If a priestress of eilistraee (both surface elf or drow) can use a bastard sword with lethal effect, a warrior can use a greatsword.

Face it; elves are ok. :P Not as much as an human, but sure better than a knee-bitter. :P

Seriously, the level of hate some guys show toward fictional races, be it elves or furries by example.... It's eerie, to say the least.

Elisstrae is the drow god of emos and teen angst. The only weapon her followers can wield are razors, and even then they often are doing it wrong.
Ventilatory_Threshold
03-22-07, 09:50 PM Damn straight! Apparently, these dumbasses don't take the feat "Down the Road" at 1st level, so they're stuck running them across the street.
Kresalak
03-22-07, 10:01 PM You know, I don't know who's worse:
The elves, for obvious reasons explained in a legendary thread,
The aforementioned emo worshipers of that naked chick whose name I can't spell,
Or the drow with their "nonconformist" death metal and devil-worship and what-not.

So far, every bit of evidence ever has shown that elves suck.
The Ubbergeek
03-22-07, 10:08 PM And so far, we have evidences that elf-haters are bourgeois reactionaire who need to be shown the true way.

How about reeducation camps?
Ventilatory_Threshold
03-22-07, 10:16 PM And so far, we have evidences that elf-haters are bourgeois reactionaire who need to be shown the true way.
Gah! He speaks French!
Kresalak
03-22-07, 10:17 PM And so far, we have evidences that elf-haters are bourgeois reactionary who need to be shown the true way.

How about reeducation camps?

The term "bourgeois" is specific to the ruling capitalist class, and cannot be used to refer to anyone you wish. Your use of the term is especially ironic, since I'm a communist and V_T's an anarchist.

To stay on topic, elves are dirty, smelly hippies. Rangers, on the other hand, are manly men who hunt bears in the woods with their bare hands. Chuck Norris doesn't star in "Walker: Texas Ranger" for nothing.
PhaedrusXY
03-22-07, 10:22 PM To stay on topic, elves are dirty, smelly hippies. Rangers, on the other hand, are manly men who hunt bears in the woods with their bare hands. Chuck Norris doesn't star in "Walker: Texas Ranger" for nothing.:rofl: Will you be my hero, Kreselak?:bow:

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Amaranth445 03-21-07, 10:07 AM	people keep on telling me that a ranger is better than an elf is this true?
YabaTheWhat 03-21-07, 10:46 AM	The two things are unrelated. Either that or you're misunderstanding what they're saying. Maybe a ranger is better as an elf. (Better than, for example, a human or a dwarf.)
Return of the Flumph 03-21-07, 11:50 AM	First edition?
Mirandul 03-21-07, 11:58 AM	you mean OD&D? first edition had classes and race separated.
Seldriss 03-21-07, 12:07 PM	Unless that's an elf ranger ;) Seriously, Amaranth, you are mixing apples and oranges (or in this case, blackberries and mushrooms). Ranger is a class, like fighter, rogue, wizard. And Elf is a race, like human, dwarf, goblin. There is no real opposition between the one and the other. A character can be both (elf ranger).
Finfreeze 03-21-07, 12:09 PM	The only good elf is a dead elf, so it's only natural for a ranger to be better than an elf.
Seldriss 03-21-07, 12:13 PM	you mean OD&D? first edition had classes and race separated. Not really. AD&D 1st edition was the same than now in D&D3.5 : Choose a race then a class. You are refering to D&D Basic, where some races were combinations of race/class. The elf was kind of a fighter/mage.
Millennium 03-21-07, 12:15 PM	you mean OD&D? first edition had classes and race separated. OD&D didn't have rangers at all, though. And here I was hoping for a joke thread... Q: How do you tell the difference between a male elf and a female elf? A: I don't know, but neither do they.
Elvez4ever 03-21-07, 01:06 PM	The only good elf is a dead elf, so it's only natural for a ranger to be better than an elf. Q: How do you tell the difference between a male elf and a female elf? A: I don't know, but neither do they. I resent that. :ahem: :D
Ventilatory_Threshold 03-21-07, 01:14 PM	I resent that. :ahem: Don't. Accept it. If you can accept this, I can forgive you for your name.
Orchomenos 03-21-07, 02:36 PM	Ranger can use a greatsword. Elves can't.
Finfreeze 03-21-07, 02:45 PM	Elf needs food badly. Ranger gets along in the wild. Elf is about to die.
Sudnji_cas 03-21-07, 03:10 PM	Yay, elf-hating!
kaionon 03-21-07, 03:19 PM	Please, this entire thread is stupid. No more posting so it falls of the front page. (It was at the top when I posted this, so i'm not being ironic)
TheCarrionCrawler 03-21-07, 04:56 PM	I'm disappointed! :mad: The title led me to believe that this was going to be a riddle or a dirty limerick or the name of a saucy puppet show!
NineInchNall 03-21-07, 07:17 PM	You mean something like, "Why is a raven like a writing desk?"
myusernameis 03-21-07, 09:19 PM	OO! OO! OO! Why NineInchNail? Why?
Nat_20 03-21-07, 11:13 PM	Oh my god... do i see a "Can an elf wield a greatsword II" about to start up??? Hopefully we can get this one to 1,205 posts also...
Tralan 03-21-07, 11:23 PM	You mean something like, "Why is a raven like a writing desk?" They're both birds... except for the writing desk.
Willie the Duck 03-21-07, 11:47 PM	I resent that. :ahem: :D Yes, but no one cares. :D
AZNsupermarket 03-21-07, 11:51 PM	This thread seems to be a reference to this famous old joke thread on the enworld forums: http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=130793
Max the Immortal 03-22-07, 01:58 AM	Seriously, Amaranth, you are mixing apples and oranges (or in this case, blackberries and mushrooms). More like hamburgers and copper.
Treymordin 03-22-07, 09:10 AM	An elf, if he took the proficiency or the class allowed him it, could use a great sword. Thus the argument and the thread are irrelevant.
khyron1144 03-22-07, 09:19 AM	people keep on telling me that a ranger is better than an elf is this true? Better at what and under what circumstances? Why not be both? There is no inherent contradiction. In fact, Elf as a race, fits the flavor of Ranger, as a class, fairly well and vice versa.
Ventilatory_Threshold 03-22-07, 11:01 AM	An elf, if he took the proficiency or the class allowed him it, could use a great sword. Please cite your source for this outrageous statement.
The Ubbergeek 03-22-07, 12:27 PM	Please cite your source for this outrageous statement. If a priestress of eilistraee (both surface elf or drow) can use a bastard sword with lethal effect, a warrior can use a greatsword. Face it; elves are ok. :P Not as much as an human, but sure better than a knee-bitter. :P Seriously, the level of hate some guys show toward fictional races, be it elves or furries by example.... It's eerie, to say the least.
Bhaal006 03-22-07, 01:00 PM	So I've made a new feat that elves get a 1st level, check it out... Cancer: Prerequisite: Elf Benefit: All elves start the game with cancer and recieve a -8 to all ability scores, this stacks with the -2 penalty to constitution, meaning that if you roll less than a 10 for your constitution score your character died at birth. also... Not Cancer: Prerequisite: Cancer, Level 9 Benefit: If an elven character ever wants to be rid of their horible cancer now is their only chance as this feat may ONLY be taken at level 9, if the charcter takes this feat it takes effect at level 10, at which point the penalties from cancer are reduced to -2 instead of -8, this stacks with the -2penalty to constitution Elves normally recieve.
Tempest Stormwind 03-22-07, 01:06 PM	You mean something like, "Why is a raven like a writing desk?"Why is it that whenever this one comes up, someone invariably posts something like:OO! OO! OO! Why NineInchNail? Why?I think the truth is because people haven't read enough Lewis Carroll -- or perhaps they haven't heard of Google. I mean, I don't read things just because they're "classic" (in fact, I figure that things that survive because they're "classics" often have no merit to themselves besides being "classics" -- that is, they endure because English teachers want them to endure), but Alice in Wonderland? Come ON, if you haven't read that, get off the Internet. :PThere's several different "answers", but Carroll wrote this in some later editions of Alice in Wonderland:Enquiries have been so often addressed to me, as to whether any answer to the Hatter's Riddle can be imagined, that I may as well put on record here what seems to me to be a fairly appropriate answer, viz: `Because it can produce a few notes, tho they are very flat; and it is never put with the wrong end in front!' This, however, is merely an afterthought; the Riddle, as originally invented, had no answer at all.So, it had no answer, but was merely meant to be whimsical -- sort of like most of his delightful genius, no? (Aside: A few sites I found while looking for that exact quote call attention to that last bit, claiming that the original was "it is nevar put with the wrong end in front". "Nevar" = "raven" backwards, which makes that last line true for both desks and ravens. Linguistic puns like that are a thing of beauty -- however, I can't confirm that this is in fact the case beyond those websites. I'm away from my own copy right now.) That said, the most common answer I've heard is NOT the one given above but rather "Because [Edgar Allen] Poe wrote on both." I don't know where that answer first originated, but I'm willing to bet it wasn't Carroll. If you also haven't read Douglas Adams, not only should you get off the Internet, but you should lock your doors and windows at night and sleep with a defensive weapon next to your bed, for I might just send ninja death-squads after you.
Raptorial 03-22-07, 02:10 PM	Cancer: Prerequisite: Elf Benefit: All elves start the game with cancer and recieve a -8 to all ability scores, this stacks with the -2 penalty to constitution, meaning that if you roll less than a 10 for your constitution score your character died at birth. I don't find this funny. :mad: I've lost a lot of family members to cancer. I don't get why a thread like this is made, proceeded by endless elf-bashing and insane comments.
Warforged Goblin 03-22-07, 02:22 PM	ELFS SUXX0RZ ALL OVA TEH PLACE!!!1!!1 MY HALF-FANG DARGON SHIFTER MONK/WARSHAPER IS TEH BETTERS RACE!!1! Here's a suggestion: If you don't like a race, don't play it. That's it. Don't bash them, don't make stupid feats that penalize them for no reason, don't insult or belittle people who enjoy playing them. Me, I like dwarves. Always have, always will. And granted, my stuntie can drink your elf under the table, but your elf will win the dance contest. And BTW, dwarf ranger FTW. Favored enemy goblin or giants and matched mithril dwarven war axe and adamantine hand axe all the way. :D
The Ubbergeek 03-22-07, 02:52 PM	If you hate that much a non-existing race, in my book, you need councelling perhaps.
Ventilatory_Threshold 03-22-07, 05:19 PM	[Dumbass Smart person] ELFS SUXX0RZ ALL OVA TEH PLACE!!!1!!1 MY HALF-FANG DARGON SHIFTER MONK/WARSHAPER IS TEH BETTERS RACE!!1! [/Dumbass Smart person] Ficksed for yue! If you hate that much a non-existing race, in my book, you need councelling perhaps. I've had councelling. It was for APD, though.
The_Shaman 03-22-07, 09:26 PM	Pfft, VT, I get the feeling you either are or until very soon were an elf fanboy ;) .
Ventilatory_Threshold 03-22-07, 09:34 PM	Pfft, VT, I get the feeling you either are or until very soon were an elf fanboy ;) . Yes, I was such a fanboy that I booed at the LotR trilogy (both the books and the movie) everytime Legolas got mentioned. Same went for every other Elf mentioned. I also used tip-ex to cover up every mention of an Elf to keep myself from spitting involuntarily when I read them.
Yadot 03-22-07, 09:35 PM	Pfft, VT, I get the feeling you either are or until very soon were an elf fanboy ;) . No, V_T has always been against the worthless elves. It was he who found out that elves have a racial cap of 1d6 damage for all weapons that they weild.
Ventilatory_Threshold 03-22-07, 09:42 PM	I actually think that was someone else, but I strongly supported the idea.
Kresalak 03-22-07, 09:43 PM	If a priestress of eilistraee (both surface elf or drow) can use a bastard sword with lethal effect, a warrior can use a greatsword. Face it; elves are ok. :P Not as much as an human, but sure better than a knee-bitter. :P Seriously, the level of hate some guys show toward fictional races, be it elves or furries by example.... It's eerie, to say the least. Elisstrae is the drow god of emos and teen angst. The only weapon her followers can wield are razors, and even then they often are doing it wrong.
Ventilatory_Threshold 03-22-07, 09:50 PM	Damn straight! Apparently, these dumbasses don't take the feat "Down the Road" at 1st level, so they're stuck running them across the street.
Kresalak 03-22-07, 10:01 PM	You know, I don't know who's worse: The elves, for obvious reasons explained in a legendary thread, The aforementioned emo worshipers of that naked chick whose name I can't spell, Or the drow with their "nonconformist" death metal and devil-worship and what-not. So far, every bit of evidence ever has shown that elves suck.
The Ubbergeek 03-22-07, 10:08 PM	And so far, we have evidences that elf-haters are bourgeois reactionaire who need to be shown the true way. How about reeducation camps?
Ventilatory_Threshold 03-22-07, 10:16 PM	And so far, we have evidences that elf-haters are bourgeois reactionaire who need to be shown the true way. Gah! He speaks French!
Kresalak 03-22-07, 10:17 PM	And so far, we have evidences that elf-haters are bourgeois reactionary who need to be shown the true way. How about reeducation camps? The term "bourgeois" is specific to the ruling capitalist class, and cannot be used to refer to anyone you wish. Your use of the term is especially ironic, since I'm a communist and V_T's an anarchist. To stay on topic, elves are dirty, smelly hippies. Rangers, on the other hand, are manly men who hunt bears in the woods with their bare hands. Chuck Norris doesn't star in "Walker: Texas Ranger" for nothing.
PhaedrusXY 03-22-07, 10:22 PM	To stay on topic, elves are dirty, smelly hippies. Rangers, on the other hand, are manly men who hunt bears in the woods with their bare hands. Chuck Norris doesn't star in "Walker: Texas Ranger" for nothing.:rofl: Will you be my hero, Kreselak?:bow: