Wildshape and the forged [Archive] - Wizards Community

Wildshape and the forged [Archive] - Wizards Community

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bigsnarf
07-01-07, 02:30 PM :confused: :confused: :confused: So, if a warforged wildshapes into a animal, does it keep its living construct abilities? I say it does but I gots ta know what others think because Im a rules lawyer that has to be 100% correct or I lose all cool-points.
Crimson_Concerto
07-01-07, 02:37 PM :confused: :confused: :confused: So, if a warforged wildshapes into a animal, does it keep its living construct abilities? I say it does but I gots ta know what others think because Im a rules lawyer that has to be 100% correct or I lose all cool-points.Uh, please take off all the bold It's unnecessary.
Now, go to the Errata, look up the changes to Wildshape, and read it. If it says you keep your type and subtype traits, then you keep them, if it says you don't, then you don't.
bigsnarf
07-01-07, 02:43 PM Sorry. I just thought bold looks better, it make me feel 10 feet tall.
Crimson_Concerto
07-01-07, 02:46 PM Sorry. I just thought bold looks better, it make me feel 10 feet tall....How old are you? :uh-huh:

Anyways, as you can plainly see if you followed my instructions, it says you keep your own type and subtype. Ta-da. There's your answer which you already knew... So why did you feel the need to ask us this? :confused:
northern_bear
07-01-07, 02:51 PM There was a dragon shards article on this:

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ebds/20051024a

Key quote:

While in wild shape, a warforged is no longer considered a construct: it loses access to its racial immunities and any armor bonus it possesses from composite plating or Ironwood Body. It cannot be repaired using repair damage, but it receives the full benefit of spells of the healing subschool. While Races of Eberron states that warforged druids maintain armor bonuses and racial immunities in animal form, this is incorrect.
bigsnarf
07-01-07, 02:51 PM 31, but dont worry, we are all kids at heart. I checked and the characters subtype changes to animal, i must have over-looked it.
Crimson_Concerto
07-01-07, 03:00 PM There was a dragon shards article on this:I honestly wouldn't trust this type of article, considering how it completely ignores the rules of the game to make that statement. After all, no other type gets to change to Animal when it wildshapes, so why shouldn't Warforged be treated exactly the same? This article dealt with the concept of the Warforged Druid well, but it wasn't exactly well-informed about the mechanics.

31, but dont worry, we are all kids at heart. I checked and the characters subtype changes to animal, i must have over-looked it.Really? Where does it say that? This is news to me. Alternate Form says that the default type and subtype are kept, according to the Errata and SRD...
bigsnarf
07-01-07, 03:09 PM The wildshape ability is like polymorph, and polymorph states that your type changes.
Crimson_Concerto
07-01-07, 03:10 PM The wildshape ability is like polymorph, and polymorph states that your type changes.No. The Wildshape Ability is like Alternate Form, and it says that your type doesn't change.
Read the Errata on both Wildshape and Alternate Form, like I told you to.
bigsnarf
07-01-07, 03:16 PM Checked it out, your correct and I am now happy.
Yadot
07-01-07, 03:34 PM I honestly wouldn't trust this type of article, considering how it completely ignores the rules of the game to make that statement. After all, no other type gets to change to Animal when it wildshapes, so why shouldn't Warforged be treated exactly the same? This article dealt with the concept of the Warforged Druid well, but it wasn't exactly well-informed about the mechanics.

The Dragonshards article was made before the Wildshape eratta, when it was still based on Polymorph
Crimson_Concerto
07-01-07, 03:39 PM The Dragonshards article was made before the Wildshape eratta, when it was still based on PolymorphFair enough. It's not quite as useless and laughable as I thought, then. :)
runestar
07-01-07, 10:44 PM And the nice thing is that you retain your ironwood body feat...:P
bigsnarf
07-02-07, 10:54 AM So a warforged would look like a construct animal in its animal form? :confused:
Manyfist
07-02-07, 10:58 AM So a warforged would look like a construct animal in its animal form? :confused:

Well Warforged are "Human" so I would imagine a Warforged Animal, look like the "base" however warforged (I.E Wooden body, with other inorganic and organic materials.) Or you could just say they look normal.
ArcTan
07-02-07, 10:33 PM So a warforged would look like a construct animal in its animal form? :confused:

No, why would it? Under current rules a Human Druid who Wildshapes becomes a Wolf (for example) who still has Type: Humanoid. Does that make her look like a "humanoid" Wolf? No. It just means she takes a different shape but is the same underneath.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
bigsnarf 07-01-07, 02:30 PM	:confused: :confused: :confused: So, if a warforged wildshapes into a animal, does it keep its living construct abilities? I say it does but I gots ta know what others think because Im a rules lawyer that has to be 100% correct or I lose all cool-points.
Crimson_Concerto 07-01-07, 02:37 PM	:confused: :confused: :confused: So, if a warforged wildshapes into a animal, does it keep its living construct abilities? I say it does but I gots ta know what others think because Im a rules lawyer that has to be 100% correct or I lose all cool-points.Uh, please take off all the bold It's unnecessary. Now, go to the Errata, look up the changes to Wildshape, and read it. If it says you keep your type and subtype traits, then you keep them, if it says you don't, then you don't.
bigsnarf 07-01-07, 02:43 PM	Sorry. I just thought bold looks better, it make me feel 10 feet tall.
Crimson_Concerto 07-01-07, 02:46 PM	Sorry. I just thought bold looks better, it make me feel 10 feet tall....How old are you? :uh-huh: Anyways, as you can plainly see if you followed my instructions, it says you keep your own type and subtype. Ta-da. There's your answer which you already knew... So why did you feel the need to ask us this? :confused:
northern_bear 07-01-07, 02:51 PM	There was a dragon shards article on this: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ebds/20051024a Key quote: While in wild shape, a warforged is no longer considered a construct: it loses access to its racial immunities and any armor bonus it possesses from composite plating or Ironwood Body. It cannot be repaired using repair damage, but it receives the full benefit of spells of the healing subschool. While Races of Eberron states that warforged druids maintain armor bonuses and racial immunities in animal form, this is incorrect.
bigsnarf 07-01-07, 02:51 PM	31, but dont worry, we are all kids at heart. I checked and the characters subtype changes to animal, i must have over-looked it.
Crimson_Concerto 07-01-07, 03:00 PM	There was a dragon shards article on this:I honestly wouldn't trust this type of article, considering how it completely ignores the rules of the game to make that statement. After all, no other type gets to change to Animal when it wildshapes, so why shouldn't Warforged be treated exactly the same? This article dealt with the concept of the Warforged Druid well, but it wasn't exactly well-informed about the mechanics. 31, but dont worry, we are all kids at heart. I checked and the characters subtype changes to animal, i must have over-looked it.Really? Where does it say that? This is news to me. Alternate Form says that the default type and subtype are kept, according to the Errata and SRD...
bigsnarf 07-01-07, 03:09 PM	The wildshape ability is like polymorph, and polymorph states that your type changes.
Crimson_Concerto 07-01-07, 03:10 PM	The wildshape ability is like polymorph, and polymorph states that your type changes.No. The Wildshape Ability is like Alternate Form, and it says that your type doesn't change. Read the Errata on both Wildshape and Alternate Form, like I told you to.
bigsnarf 07-01-07, 03:16 PM	Checked it out, your correct and I am now happy.
Yadot 07-01-07, 03:34 PM	I honestly wouldn't trust this type of article, considering how it completely ignores the rules of the game to make that statement. After all, no other type gets to change to Animal when it wildshapes, so why shouldn't Warforged be treated exactly the same? This article dealt with the concept of the Warforged Druid well, but it wasn't exactly well-informed about the mechanics. The Dragonshards article was made before the Wildshape eratta, when it was still based on Polymorph
Crimson_Concerto 07-01-07, 03:39 PM	The Dragonshards article was made before the Wildshape eratta, when it was still based on PolymorphFair enough. It's not quite as useless and laughable as I thought, then. :)
runestar 07-01-07, 10:44 PM	And the nice thing is that you retain your ironwood body feat...:P
bigsnarf 07-02-07, 10:54 AM	So a warforged would look like a construct animal in its animal form? :confused:
Manyfist 07-02-07, 10:58 AM	So a warforged would look like a construct animal in its animal form? :confused: Well Warforged are "Human" so I would imagine a Warforged Animal, look like the "base" however warforged (I.E Wooden body, with other inorganic and organic materials.) Or you could just say they look normal.
ArcTan 07-02-07, 10:33 PM	So a warforged would look like a construct animal in its animal form? :confused: No, why would it? Under current rules a Human Druid who Wildshapes becomes a Wolf (for example) who still has Type: Humanoid. Does that make her look like a "humanoid" Wolf? No. It just means she takes a different shape but is the same underneath.