Wolf's Rain idea wolf? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Wolf's Rain idea wolf? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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RoCkEtInToXiCaTe
10-08-07, 12:28 AM If anyone is familiar with the show, in Wolf's Rain the characters are actual wolves that use an illusion to appear human, decieving everyone.

They can also talk, telepathically, although it looks like their human illusion is speaking.

How could I go about making a similar character in D&D?
Radijs
10-08-07, 09:13 AM Are they really telepathic?

Easiest way I could think of would just be to use werewolves and then add the telepathy as a Su ability.
RoCkEtInToXiCaTe
10-08-07, 11:45 AM I thought about that, but these wolves arn't anything special. No real super-natural abilities or anything, they're just wolves. Only they developed this illusion technique to survive, that and they're not actually shape-shifting, things like cameras and scopes on weapons see through the illusion, and being drunk, but to the regular naked eye the illusion holds.

I don't know if they are telepathic, but it makes it look like when they talk to people in wolf form their mouths arn't moving, but when they're in illusion form it looks like two people conversing.
The_Shaman
10-08-07, 01:35 PM Hmm, I only saw a few episodes, but afaik they can speak, use their hands, etc.. so it's not quite an illusion. Some sort of shapechange may be your best bet.
Radijs
10-08-07, 01:40 PM Werewolf still sounds the simplest to me.
Remove the hybrid form and the damage reduction and then you're set.
The_Shaman
10-08-07, 01:53 PM OA hengeyoukai might be better if your game is not LA-friendly, btw. The dog is mechanically similar, so you can take it from there and tweak it a little.
Nadaka
10-08-07, 01:56 PM They can only hold one item at a time and don't really manipulate it much. This is because even though the illusion has hands, the wolf is holding an item in its mouth.
InkBlot
10-08-07, 03:26 PM It is an illusion. But it's not a holograph like other D&D illusions. The wolves telepathically project the idea that they're human into the minds of real humans.

As Nadaka said, when they appear to pick up an object with their hands they're actually picking it up with their mouths. This even emphasized in the first episode, when a wolf-in-human-guise grabs somebody by the wrist and leaves bloody bite marks.

Whether or not they communicate telepathically or simply speak without moving their mouths is up for debate. Wolf mouths aren't good for speaking anyway, so they would speak from the throat instead (if they do speak).

Do you use the Expanded Psionics Handbook? I'd make them magical beasts with false sensory input as a constant psi-like ability. Anybody within 600 feet who looks at them has to make a will save or see a human instead of a wolf.

If you don't have the Expanded Psionics Handbook then maybe disguise self would work. I don't know.
Neutronium_Dragon
10-08-07, 04:38 PM What you're describing is an Enchantment effect in D&D terms, not an Illusion.
malykoth
10-08-07, 04:46 PM Some illusions affect the mind...figments, I believe? Granted, I tend to agree with you, that they should be enchantments, not illusions, but it is a bit of a gray area.
InkBlot
10-08-07, 04:49 PM What you're describing is an Enchantment effect in D&D terms, not an Illusion.

What I was describing was a Telepathic effect in D&D terms, not an Enchantment or an Illusion.

But an Illusion works well enough if you're not familiar with how Telepathic effects work in D&D.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
RoCkEtInToXiCaTe 10-08-07, 12:28 AM	If anyone is familiar with the show, in Wolf's Rain the characters are actual wolves that use an illusion to appear human, decieving everyone. They can also talk, telepathically, although it looks like their human illusion is speaking. How could I go about making a similar character in D&D?
Radijs 10-08-07, 09:13 AM	Are they really telepathic? Easiest way I could think of would just be to use werewolves and then add the telepathy as a Su ability.
RoCkEtInToXiCaTe 10-08-07, 11:45 AM	I thought about that, but these wolves arn't anything special. No real super-natural abilities or anything, they're just wolves. Only they developed this illusion technique to survive, that and they're not actually shape-shifting, things like cameras and scopes on weapons see through the illusion, and being drunk, but to the regular naked eye the illusion holds. I don't know if they are telepathic, but it makes it look like when they talk to people in wolf form their mouths arn't moving, but when they're in illusion form it looks like two people conversing.
The_Shaman 10-08-07, 01:35 PM	Hmm, I only saw a few episodes, but afaik they can speak, use their hands, etc.. so it's not quite an illusion. Some sort of shapechange may be your best bet.
Radijs 10-08-07, 01:40 PM	Werewolf still sounds the simplest to me. Remove the hybrid form and the damage reduction and then you're set.
The_Shaman 10-08-07, 01:53 PM	OA hengeyoukai might be better if your game is not LA-friendly, btw. The dog is mechanically similar, so you can take it from there and tweak it a little.
Nadaka 10-08-07, 01:56 PM	They can only hold one item at a time and don't really manipulate it much. This is because even though the illusion has hands, the wolf is holding an item in its mouth.
InkBlot 10-08-07, 03:26 PM	It is an illusion. But it's not a holograph like other D&D illusions. The wolves telepathically project the idea that they're human into the minds of real humans. As Nadaka said, when they appear to pick up an object with their hands they're actually picking it up with their mouths. This even emphasized in the first episode, when a wolf-in-human-guise grabs somebody by the wrist and leaves bloody bite marks. Whether or not they communicate telepathically or simply speak without moving their mouths is up for debate. Wolf mouths aren't good for speaking anyway, so they would speak from the throat instead (if they do speak). Do you use the Expanded Psionics Handbook? I'd make them magical beasts with false sensory input as a constant psi-like ability. Anybody within 600 feet who looks at them has to make a will save or see a human instead of a wolf. If you don't have the Expanded Psionics Handbook then maybe disguise self would work. I don't know.
Neutronium_Dragon 10-08-07, 04:38 PM	What you're describing is an Enchantment effect in D&D terms, not an Illusion.
malykoth 10-08-07, 04:46 PM	Some illusions affect the mind...figments, I believe? Granted, I tend to agree with you, that they should be enchantments, not illusions, but it is a bit of a gray area.
InkBlot 10-08-07, 04:49 PM	What you're describing is an Enchantment effect in D&D terms, not an Illusion. What I was describing was a Telepathic effect in D&D terms, not an Enchantment or an Illusion. But an Illusion works well enough if you're not familiar with how Telepathic effects work in D&D.