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PhantomTrain
11-07-07, 09:26 AM Morning all.

A game has opened up that offers me the chance to play a monsterous PC, but I'd like to play a Zern (page 195 in Monster Manual 4). Any good guesses what the ECL of a Zern PC might be? It's a CR6 monster, with a good set (but not spectacular) of special abilities.

Anyone with MM4 have any good ideas?
Bahumut
11-07-07, 10:10 AM (8 monstrous humanoid HD) + (+7 Level Adjustment) = ECL 15

so you'd be a level 15 PC before even adding class levels. your best bet is to write up a monster class for the race, look to any of the Races of Whatever books for examples (feral gargun in RoS, centaur in RotW) and to Savage Species on tips for building it. if ECL 15 is WAAAY too high for your game, work with the DM to remove abilities from the race to lower the LA.

on a closer inspection, you are gonna need to tweak the heck out of this race to make it playable at all. good luck!
Orchomenos
11-07-07, 11:10 AM Look here (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20030202)for an example about the Minotaur, or here (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/sp/20031212a)for more examples about templates.
PhantomTrain
11-07-07, 12:52 PM (8 monstrous humanoid HD) + (+7 Level Adjustment) = ECL 15

Alright, some things obviously need to be dropped. That's five levels too high for me.

Would dropping out Fast Healing 5, Spell Resistance, their transmutation focus, and all of their spell-like abilities bring them any closer to playable?

What I really like about them is their Malleable form ability. The more of that I can keep, the better.
snakeman830
11-07-07, 09:38 PM Alright, some things obviously need to be dropped. That's five levels too high for me.

Would dropping out Fast Healing 5, Spell Resistance, their transmutation focus, and all of their spell-like abilities bring them any closer to playable?

What I really like about them is their Malleable form ability. The more of that I can keep, the better.

Wiat, they get Fast Healing?

I must have missed that while writing up my Zern character.

As for your question, I think that would drop it down by about 4. But, I'm not very good with LA, so don't put too much by what I say.

If you're looking for something else to drop, DON'T DROP WARPING ENERGY. It is an extremely useful natural weapon (and one of the only ranged ones I've ever seen).

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
PhantomTrain 11-07-07, 09:26 AM	Morning all. A game has opened up that offers me the chance to play a monsterous PC, but I'd like to play a Zern (page 195 in Monster Manual 4). Any good guesses what the ECL of a Zern PC might be? It's a CR6 monster, with a good set (but not spectacular) of special abilities. Anyone with MM4 have any good ideas?
Bahumut 11-07-07, 10:10 AM	(8 monstrous humanoid HD) + (+7 Level Adjustment) = ECL 15 so you'd be a level 15 PC before even adding class levels. your best bet is to write up a monster class for the race, look to any of the Races of Whatever books for examples (feral gargun in RoS, centaur in RotW) and to Savage Species on tips for building it. if ECL 15 is WAAAY too high for your game, work with the DM to remove abilities from the race to lower the LA. on a closer inspection, you are gonna need to tweak the heck out of this race to make it playable at all. good luck!
Orchomenos 11-07-07, 11:10 AM	Look here (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20030202)for an example about the Minotaur, or here (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/sp/20031212a)for more examples about templates.
PhantomTrain 11-07-07, 12:52 PM	(8 monstrous humanoid HD) + (+7 Level Adjustment) = ECL 15 Alright, some things obviously need to be dropped. That's five levels too high for me. Would dropping out Fast Healing 5, Spell Resistance, their transmutation focus, and all of their spell-like abilities bring them any closer to playable? What I really like about them is their Malleable form ability. The more of that I can keep, the better.
snakeman830 11-07-07, 09:38 PM	Alright, some things obviously need to be dropped. That's five levels too high for me. Would dropping out Fast Healing 5, Spell Resistance, their transmutation focus, and all of their spell-like abilities bring them any closer to playable? What I really like about them is their Malleable form ability. The more of that I can keep, the better. Wiat, they get Fast Healing? I must have missed that while writing up my Zern character. As for your question, I think that would drop it down by about 4. But, I'm not very good with LA, so don't put too much by what I say. If you're looking for something else to drop, DON'T DROP WARPING ENERGY. It is an extremely useful natural weapon (and one of the only ranged ones I've ever seen).