2 Weapon Defense and Improved Buckler Def. [Archive] - Wizards Community

2 Weapon Defense and Improved Buckler Def. [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Lokenarin
03-26-07, 12:01 PM I believe the players handbook states that you can be equiped with a buckler and still use a weapon in your off hand, but you dont get the AC bonus of the buckler if you attack with the arm that has the buckler. Improved Buckler defense states you can get the AC bonus and still attack with you off hand. What about 2 weapon defense (or improved TWD) and improved buckler defense. It seems that those would stack?
Cartigan
03-26-07, 12:04 PM I have no idea why that would stack. You are either blocking with a buckler or parrying with the offhand. But I suppose it could stack due to armor simplifications.
Asurya
03-26-07, 12:35 PM from the SRD
Two-Weapon Defense [General]
Prerequisites
Dex 15, Two-Weapon Fighting.

Benefit
When wielding a double weapon or two weapons (not including natural weapons or unarmed strikes), you gain a +1 shield bonus to your AC. See the Two-Weapon Fighting special attack.

When you are fighting defensively or using the total defense action, this shield bonus increases to +2.

Special
A fighter may select Two-Weapon Defense as one of his fighter bonus feats.
as you see (emphasis), you can't stack with another shield bonus (the one from the buckler)
Lokenarin
03-28-07, 11:19 PM you nailed it!...
thanks
Bopple
03-29-07, 04:18 AM One thing to note;
There is a similar feat(Twin Sword Style) in PGtF, which stacks with a shield.
GreyStar
03-30-07, 08:45 AM On the Tw0-Weapon Defense vs Improved Buckler Defense, I tend to recommend going with the Buckler. It only gives +1 vs Two Weapon Defense's eventual +3, but the buckler can later be enhanced with magic properties, while an effective shield bonus cannot. Although, if you're patient, you can simply wait it out and buy an animated shield.
Nezkrul
03-30-07, 11:12 AM Although, if you're patient, you can simply wait it out and buy an animated shield.

yah, but you're still considered wielding the shield while it's animated ~ ACP and proficiency penalties still apply.
Leress
03-30-07, 04:37 PM yah, but you're still considered wielding the shield while it's animated ~ ACP and proficiency penalties still apply.

A level of fighter will fix that right up.
MingThing
03-30-07, 08:15 PM the thing thats nice with a magical buckler, is that its masterwork, and thus one less ACP, wich if i dont remember wrong, totals to 0 for the buckler.

And if u go 4 to weapon defence, u can stay at +1 on the buckler, and insted give it other enchantments that improve other things, like resistances.
spasheridan
03-31-07, 02:43 AM I vote 2 weapon defense for the win.

Greatsword + armor spikes, with the ever-popular +5 defending armor spikes. You always wield the armor spikes, yet don't need to attack with them (and take the -2 attack penalty w/greatsword) to gain the def bonus.
Lokenarin
03-31-07, 04:27 PM One thing to note;
There is a similar feat(Twin Sword Style) in PGtF, which stacks with a shield.

What book is this?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Lokenarin 03-26-07, 12:01 PM	I believe the players handbook states that you can be equiped with a buckler and still use a weapon in your off hand, but you dont get the AC bonus of the buckler if you attack with the arm that has the buckler. Improved Buckler defense states you can get the AC bonus and still attack with you off hand. What about 2 weapon defense (or improved TWD) and improved buckler defense. It seems that those would stack?
Cartigan 03-26-07, 12:04 PM	I have no idea why that would stack. You are either blocking with a buckler or parrying with the offhand. But I suppose it could stack due to armor simplifications.
Asurya 03-26-07, 12:35 PM	from the SRD Two-Weapon Defense [General] Prerequisites Dex 15, Two-Weapon Fighting. Benefit When wielding a double weapon or two weapons (not including natural weapons or unarmed strikes), you gain a +1 shield bonus to your AC. See the Two-Weapon Fighting special attack. When you are fighting defensively or using the total defense action, this shield bonus increases to +2. Special A fighter may select Two-Weapon Defense as one of his fighter bonus feats. as you see (emphasis), you can't stack with another shield bonus (the one from the buckler)
Lokenarin 03-28-07, 11:19 PM	you nailed it!... thanks
Bopple 03-29-07, 04:18 AM	One thing to note; There is a similar feat(Twin Sword Style) in PGtF, which stacks with a shield.
GreyStar 03-30-07, 08:45 AM	On the Tw0-Weapon Defense vs Improved Buckler Defense, I tend to recommend going with the Buckler. It only gives +1 vs Two Weapon Defense's eventual +3, but the buckler can later be enhanced with magic properties, while an effective shield bonus cannot. Although, if you're patient, you can simply wait it out and buy an animated shield.
Nezkrul 03-30-07, 11:12 AM	Although, if you're patient, you can simply wait it out and buy an animated shield. yah, but you're still considered wielding the shield while it's animated ~ ACP and proficiency penalties still apply.
Leress 03-30-07, 04:37 PM	yah, but you're still considered wielding the shield while it's animated ~ ACP and proficiency penalties still apply. A level of fighter will fix that right up.
MingThing 03-30-07, 08:15 PM	the thing thats nice with a magical buckler, is that its masterwork, and thus one less ACP, wich if i dont remember wrong, totals to 0 for the buckler. And if u go 4 to weapon defence, u can stay at +1 on the buckler, and insted give it other enchantments that improve other things, like resistances.
spasheridan 03-31-07, 02:43 AM	I vote 2 weapon defense for the win. Greatsword + armor spikes, with the ever-popular +5 defending armor spikes. You always wield the armor spikes, yet don't need to attack with them (and take the -2 attack penalty w/greatsword) to gain the def bonus.
Lokenarin 03-31-07, 04:27 PM	One thing to note; There is a similar feat(Twin Sword Style) in PGtF, which stacks with a shield. What book is this?