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DrakeLeonclaw 06-05-07, 08:34 PM	After reading the errata on the Improved Natural Attack feat found in the Monster manual, it says the feat can be taken multiple times, and each time it applies to a different natural attack. Can anyone help me clarify this? If a monk character takes the feat to improve their unarmed strike, doesn't that make it apply to their fists, feat, head, whatever, since the use of the term "strike" is ambiguous enough to indicate that all unarmed attacks from the monk are considered their unarmed strike? So what exactly constitutes a different natural attack?
jaelis 06-05-07, 08:43 PM	If your DM plays that each fist, foot, elbow, etc is a different weapon, then yes you could take it again. But why would you?
DrakeLeonclaw 06-05-07, 08:52 PM	well actually, I happen to be the DM, but I was curious as to what exactly constitutes a different kind of natural attack. I figured that a monk using his unarmed strike in the round was a simplified way of saying that "the monk throws a series of deadly punches and kicks at his unfortunate foe" instead of just saying that "the monk throws only punches." To me unarmed strikes are simply attacks made with the whole body, not necessarily just fists. Using this logic, taking this feat to improve one's natural attack for a monk would translate into improving all of their basic unarmed attacks; feet, head, and hands in all. My question is basically, am I wrong? is a natural attack for the purposes of this feat only applicable to a single part of the body? This sounds boring as that is basically saying that when a monk is attacking with this feat, in order to get the maximum amount of use from it he's just using his fists. Monks should look cool when kicking ass, I think their "unarmed strikes" should be strikes made unarmed, and "strike" is ambiguous enough to not specify a particular body part from which it comes from. Insert 2 cents below.
Zaver 06-05-07, 08:58 PM	I think the errata refers to the typical natural attacks of monsters like two claws and a bite. Take INA once and it applies to the claws but not the bite so you could take it again to add the bonus there. Monks are trained that their entire body is considered one natural weapon as I understand it, though you could interpret that differently and have monks need to take it to apply to individual limbs.
G_Mancer 06-05-07, 09:04 PM	a monks "unarmed strike" is a natural attack. it doesn't say just fists or legs, infact it says it could be any and all of your body. improved natural attack(unarmed strike) is what would be taken. and unless your monk is anything non-core, it doesn't have any natural attacks besides Unarmed strike
jaelis 06-05-07, 09:55 PM	well actually, I happen to be the DM, but I was curious as to what exactly constitutes a different kind of natural attack. People disagree about whether you have one unarmed strike that encompasses your whole body, or many "weapons" that can be used to deliver unarmed strike attacks. I favor the first interpretation.
Someone 06-06-07, 02:20 AM	Different kinds of natural attacks mean stuff like slams, claws, bites, gores, and tail/wing slaps. Unarmed strikes are an exception, in that its not specific what body part you make a particular attack with. But you can't take INA (unarmed) and have it apply to your monster slams or other such natural attacks. And vice versa, you can't take INA (slam) and have it apply to an unarmed strike that you describe as your fists.