Agile Shield Fighter and Two-Weapon Fighting, possible to negate penalty? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Agile Shield Fighter and Two-Weapon Fighting, possible to negate penalty? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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OneEyedTrouserSnake
03-22-07, 03:39 PM I wondered if taking two-weapon fighting and agile shield fighter could cancel out the penalty for fighting with weapon and shield. The only reason to take agile shield fighter is you can fight with a one-handed weapon (heavy shield) as an off-hand attack with only a -2 penalty.

Basically do these do feats stack or not, RAW?
DarkSorcerer
03-22-07, 04:02 PM These Feats would not stack.

Agile Shield Fighter is very specific.

From Crystal Keep: "When making a Full Round Attack with a weapon and a Shield Bash, the penalty is –2 on each, instead of whatever the penalty would have been (i.e., due to not having Two-Weapon Fighting, etc.)."

Since a heavy shield is a one-handed weapon, the penalty would be -4/-4 with the two weapon fighting feat or -6/-10 without it. (SRD)

You would need a kind DM to house rule that these feats stacked.

BTW, if I read things correctly, you would need Improved two weapon fighting in order to take a second attack with a shield bash (assuming +6/+1 BAB), so there is actually a reason to take two weapon fighting.
OneEyedTrouserSnake
03-22-07, 04:11 PM Thanks, what you says sounds right.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
OneEyedTrouserSnake 03-22-07, 03:39 PM	I wondered if taking two-weapon fighting and agile shield fighter could cancel out the penalty for fighting with weapon and shield. The only reason to take agile shield fighter is you can fight with a one-handed weapon (heavy shield) as an off-hand attack with only a -2 penalty. Basically do these do feats stack or not, RAW?
DarkSorcerer 03-22-07, 04:02 PM	These Feats would not stack. Agile Shield Fighter is very specific. From Crystal Keep: "When making a Full Round Attack with a weapon and a Shield Bash, the penalty is –2 on each, instead of whatever the penalty would have been (i.e., due to not having Two-Weapon Fighting, etc.)." Since a heavy shield is a one-handed weapon, the penalty would be -4/-4 with the two weapon fighting feat or -6/-10 without it. (SRD) You would need a kind DM to house rule that these feats stacked. BTW, if I read things correctly, you would need Improved two weapon fighting in order to take a second attack with a shield bash (assuming +6/+1 BAB), so there is actually a reason to take two weapon fighting.
OneEyedTrouserSnake 03-22-07, 04:11 PM	Thanks, what you says sounds right.