Alacritous Cogitation [Archive] - Wizards Community

Alacritous Cogitation [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Mystyc
03-30-07, 02:23 AM The Alacritous Cogitation feat from Complete Mage allows a prepared arcane spellcaster to spontaneously cast one spell per day. I won't go into further detail, it being copyrighted material, but that's the relevant part.

Does this feat work for the spells granted by the factotum's Arcane Dilettante ability? The ability itself is given the (Sp) descriptor, for spell-like, but the description often refers to the benefits as actual spells. It's not clear whether a factotum has proper "spell slots" as required by the feat, but it's worth noting that the term is never used in the wizard class description either.

Supposing this does work, is a factotum's use of the feat significantly more powerful than a wizard's? Is "knowing" every spell on the sorc/wiz list worth more than the ability to research new ones?
shamus_the_daft
03-30-07, 04:49 AM well I dont have dungeon scape on me but if memory serves factotums get spell like ability's so they dont have spell slots so i believe that they could not use that feat but i could be mistaken. also there is no mention of spell slots in the sorcerer description as far as I can tell. but I dont think a factotum knows any spells so I think that would prevent them from using it. so I'ed leave it up to the DM and if you are the DM it's up to you but one thing I can't remember can a factotum change thier spell like ability's if so my second point is probably wrong
Mystyc
03-30-07, 12:21 PM A factotum can prepare different spells each day, if he/she so chooses. I don't see that as fundamentally different from having a spell in your spellbook -- wizards don't have "spells known" like a sorcerer, but the feat's purpose is pretty obvious in that case.

You're right about sorcerers not having "slots" either. I guess "slot" is just shorthand for "the imaginary space where a spell would go." I suppose the key question is, can a slot be "the imaginary space where a spell-like ability that mimics a spell in almost all ways, and is referred to simply as a spell in many instances, would go"?
Razorgrin
03-30-07, 03:57 PM You're right about sorcerers not having "slots" either. I guess "slot" is just shorthand for "the imaginary space where a spell would go." I suppose the key question is, can a slot be "the imaginary space where a spell-like ability that mimics a spell in almost all ways, and is referred to simply as a spell in many instances, would go"?

Sounds like a DM-interpretation issue. I haven't read the factotum as thoroughly as I'd like, so I'm not sure, but if the factotum's abilities are defined as spell-like, then I'd have to say no, since they don't use spell slots.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Mystyc 03-30-07, 02:23 AM	The Alacritous Cogitation feat from Complete Mage allows a prepared arcane spellcaster to spontaneously cast one spell per day. I won't go into further detail, it being copyrighted material, but that's the relevant part. Does this feat work for the spells granted by the factotum's Arcane Dilettante ability? The ability itself is given the (Sp) descriptor, for spell-like, but the description often refers to the benefits as actual spells. It's not clear whether a factotum has proper "spell slots" as required by the feat, but it's worth noting that the term is never used in the wizard class description either. Supposing this does work, is a factotum's use of the feat significantly more powerful than a wizard's? Is "knowing" every spell on the sorc/wiz list worth more than the ability to research new ones?
shamus_the_daft 03-30-07, 04:49 AM	well I dont have dungeon scape on me but if memory serves factotums get spell like ability's so they dont have spell slots so i believe that they could not use that feat but i could be mistaken. also there is no mention of spell slots in the sorcerer description as far as I can tell. but I dont think a factotum knows any spells so I think that would prevent them from using it. so I'ed leave it up to the DM and if you are the DM it's up to you but one thing I can't remember can a factotum change thier spell like ability's if so my second point is probably wrong
Mystyc 03-30-07, 12:21 PM	A factotum can prepare different spells each day, if he/she so chooses. I don't see that as fundamentally different from having a spell in your spellbook -- wizards don't have "spells known" like a sorcerer, but the feat's purpose is pretty obvious in that case. You're right about sorcerers not having "slots" either. I guess "slot" is just shorthand for "the imaginary space where a spell would go." I suppose the key question is, can a slot be "the imaginary space where a spell-like ability that mimics a spell in almost all ways, and is referred to simply as a spell in many instances, would go"?
Razorgrin 03-30-07, 03:57 PM	You're right about sorcerers not having "slots" either. I guess "slot" is just shorthand for "the imaginary space where a spell would go." I suppose the key question is, can a slot be "the imaginary space where a spell-like ability that mimics a spell in almost all ways, and is referred to simply as a spell in many instances, would go"? Sounds like a DM-interpretation issue. I haven't read the factotum as thoroughly as I'd like, so I'm not sure, but if the factotum's abilities are defined as spell-like, then I'd have to say no, since they don't use spell slots.