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Slimgauge 03-13-08, 03:32 PM	Does the Ancestral Relic feat (Book of Exalted Deeds) a) Let you exceed the epic item value limit at pre-epic levels ? b) Allow component items that normally come with armor to be considered part of the ancestral relic rather than considered seperate items for value limits ? c) Prohibit acquiring someone else's ancestral relic if they already have one of their own ? Does an ancestral relic function for anyone NOT the original feat-holder ? Elaboration of questions; A) According to the online SRD entry on Epic Items (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/magicItems/basics.htm), an epic item is any item that "Has a market price above 200,000 gp, not including material costs for armor or weapons, material component- or experience point-based costs, or additional value for intelligent items." The Ancestral Relic feat allows a value in excess of 200,000 at 18th level and above. Does this mean the Ancestral Relic feat allows Epic items at pre-Epic levels ? If not, what to do with the extra value above 200,000 ? (but see question b for one possibility) B) According to the online SRD entry on Full Plate (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/equipment/armor.htm#fullPlate), a set of Full Plate comes with gauntlets, boots, a helmet and underpadding (but no gloves). The ancestral relic feat says "No character can have more than one ancestral relic." This leads to the question "If my suit of full plate is my ancestral relic, can it include magic gauntlets, magic boots and a magic helmet so long as the total value does not exceed the limits by level in the accompanying table or would those count as more than one ancestral relic and be therefore prohibited ?" For example, can my ancestral relic armor suit consist of a Mithral Full Plate of Speed (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/magicArmor.htm#mithralFullPlateofSpeed) with Boots of Teleportation (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/wondrousItems.htm#bootsofTeleportation), a Helm of Brilliance (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/wondrousItems.htm#helmofBrilliance) and Gauntlets of Ogre Power (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/wondrousItems.htm#gauntletsofOgrePower)? (total cost 204,500 ?) C) Is the rule "No character can have more than one ancestral relic." intended only to prohibit taking the feat a second time or is it intended to prohibit others from using the feat-holder's ancestral relic ? What happens when someone other than the feat-holder uses the relic ?
aelryinth 03-13-08, 08:49 PM	1) Yes. 2) No. Components are always priced seperately. 3) Correct, only the weilder gets the bonuses. In anyone else's hands, it's whatever the base item was, unless you have a very friendly DM. I, for instance, would let it be passed on to an heir...and while he wouldn't have to 'sacrifice' to it, I would have its powers be dependent on his level. A2) It allows you to exceed the rule. It's a feat. It can do that. b2) A suit of armor gives you all those things, but they are not seperately enchanted. The magic of the armor moves to encompass them, so we can assume the magic of the armor is concentrated in the body slot that it covers. Extraeneous limbs become protected by the armor and are integrated into the AC without penalty, but that does not make them part of the suit. c3) Both. When someone else uses the relic, I'd rely on the DM. IF the original wielder is still alive and approves the use, I'd let him use some of the base powers...but not everything. After all, it's your ancestors empowering the thing, not his. Unless he's working towards their ends, the relic isn't going to be very powerful for him. ==Aelryinth