Ancestral Relic [Archive] - Wizards Community

Ancestral Relic [Archive] - Wizards Community

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TheWalkingLost
03-27-07, 04:07 PM Exalted Deeds General Feat --

so I was thinking... could I make this ancestral relic say... a staff or wand (any item with charges) and when it uses all its charges just sacrifice X amount to buy it the staff back i.e. recharging it?

Is their anything in their prohibiting this that I am missing?
Part-Human2
03-27-07, 09:51 PM Exalted Deeds General Feat --

so I was thinking... could I make this ancestral relic say... a staff or wand (any item with charges) and when it uses all its charges just sacrifice X amount to buy it the staff back i.e. recharging it?

Is their anything in their prohibiting this that I am missing?

I was thinking the same thing once but instead with a Ring of Wishes. It doesn't appear to be covered what happens if the value of the item is reduced because of expended charges but I can't imagine a DM that would allow it to be recharged over and over. As a DM, I'd count used charges against the maximum value of the relic.
Darth Sephiroth
03-28-07, 06:37 PM I was thinking the same thing once but instead with a Ring of Wishes. It doesn't appear to be covered what happens if the value of the item is reduced because of expended charges but I can't imagine a DM that would allow it to be recharged over and over. As a DM, I'd count used charges against the maximum value of the relic.

Aren't there already rules for paying to have charges restored?
Merestil Haye
03-28-07, 07:01 PM Exalted Deeds General Feat --

so I was thinking... could I make this ancestral relic say... a staff or wand (any item with charges) and when it uses all its charges just sacrifice X amount to buy it the staff back i.e. recharging it?

Is their anything in their prohibiting this that I am missing?Yes.

The wording of the feat specifies that the item must be of "masterwork quality".
The only types of item which can meet this criterion are weapons, shields, armours and tools.

Magic wands, staves, rings and wondrous items do not have a "masterwork quality" and therefore cannot be the selected item.
Darth Sephiroth
03-28-07, 07:44 PM Personally, I'd allow it because it makes sense in several ways. It covers Heirloom equipment for your character such as a Wizards grandfathers spellbook, the crown that has been passed down in your family, and the like. Many items have improved versions that you can gain access to later on such as the Rings of Jumping. I've added two major houserules to the feat in my games to cover other things.

The first is to remove the alignment restrictions to the feat as evil & neutral characters can be just as attached to their inheritance as good ones are. The second is that it can be used to cover Legacy weapons
Part-Human2
03-28-07, 08:40 PM Yes.

The wording of the feat specifies that the item must be of "masterwork quality".
The only types of item which can meet this criterion are weapons, shields, armours and tools.

Magic wands, staves, rings and wondrous items do not have a "masterwork quality" and therefore cannot be the selected item.

Hey, staffs are weapons too! One or both ends might be masterwork. Rods as well by the way.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
TheWalkingLost 03-27-07, 04:07 PM	Exalted Deeds General Feat -- so I was thinking... could I make this ancestral relic say... a staff or wand (any item with charges) and when it uses all its charges just sacrifice X amount to buy it the staff back i.e. recharging it? Is their anything in their prohibiting this that I am missing?
Part-Human2 03-27-07, 09:51 PM	Exalted Deeds General Feat -- so I was thinking... could I make this ancestral relic say... a staff or wand (any item with charges) and when it uses all its charges just sacrifice X amount to buy it the staff back i.e. recharging it? Is their anything in their prohibiting this that I am missing? I was thinking the same thing once but instead with a Ring of Wishes. It doesn't appear to be covered what happens if the value of the item is reduced because of expended charges but I can't imagine a DM that would allow it to be recharged over and over. As a DM, I'd count used charges against the maximum value of the relic.
Darth Sephiroth 03-28-07, 06:37 PM	I was thinking the same thing once but instead with a Ring of Wishes. It doesn't appear to be covered what happens if the value of the item is reduced because of expended charges but I can't imagine a DM that would allow it to be recharged over and over. As a DM, I'd count used charges against the maximum value of the relic. Aren't there already rules for paying to have charges restored?
Merestil Haye 03-28-07, 07:01 PM	Exalted Deeds General Feat -- so I was thinking... could I make this ancestral relic say... a staff or wand (any item with charges) and when it uses all its charges just sacrifice X amount to buy it the staff back i.e. recharging it? Is their anything in their prohibiting this that I am missing?Yes. The wording of the feat specifies that the item must be of "masterwork quality". The only types of item which can meet this criterion are weapons, shields, armours and tools. Magic wands, staves, rings and wondrous items do not have a "masterwork quality" and therefore cannot be the selected item.
Darth Sephiroth 03-28-07, 07:44 PM	Personally, I'd allow it because it makes sense in several ways. It covers Heirloom equipment for your character such as a Wizards grandfathers spellbook, the crown that has been passed down in your family, and the like. Many items have improved versions that you can gain access to later on such as the Rings of Jumping. I've added two major houserules to the feat in my games to cover other things. The first is to remove the alignment restrictions to the feat as evil & neutral characters can be just as attached to their inheritance as good ones are. The second is that it can be used to cover Legacy weapons
Part-Human2 03-28-07, 08:40 PM	Yes. The wording of the feat specifies that the item must be of "masterwork quality". The only types of item which can meet this criterion are weapons, shields, armours and tools. Magic wands, staves, rings and wondrous items do not have a "masterwork quality" and therefore cannot be the selected item. Hey, staffs are weapons too! One or both ends might be masterwork. Rods as well by the way.