Any IUA varients? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Any IUA varients? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
BloodPuppy
02-13-08, 08:34 PM being a shape change type i was wondering if using feats like multi attack or imp Natural attack could substitute as Imp Unarmed Attack for different Preq's like Imp Grapple.
dman11235
02-13-08, 10:21 PM No.
BloodPuppy
02-13-08, 10:28 PM Actually druids being proficient in natural attacks would that allow imp trip to be used while shaped(instead of needing ImpUA?
dman11235
02-13-08, 10:57 PM It's a prereq feat. IUS needs to be taken before Imp Trip or Grapple. You can still trip/grapple, you just don't get the +4 bonus and you incur an AoO. If you wildshape into a creature that gets free trips or grapples (wolf/bear), then you can get the free trips/grapples as according to their abilities.
mplindustries
02-14-08, 12:20 AM Actually druids being proficient in natural attacks would that allow imp trip to be used while shaped(instead of needing ImpUA?

It's a prereq feat. IUS needs to be taken before Imp Trip or Grapple. You can still trip/grapple, you just don't get the +4 bonus and you incur an AoO. If you wildshape into a creature that gets free trips or grapples (wolf/bear), then you can get the free trips/grapples as according to their abilities.

What are you guys talking about? Improved Trip requires Combat Expertise, not Improved Unarmed Attack. You can do it in any form.
dman11235
02-14-08, 01:03 PM Okay then, I was just generic responding to such an easy question. I wasn't really caring about accuracy of the details.

My point was this: It has a prereq, you can't just ignore it.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
BloodPuppy 02-13-08, 08:34 PM	being a shape change type i was wondering if using feats like multi attack or imp Natural attack could substitute as Imp Unarmed Attack for different Preq's like Imp Grapple.
dman11235 02-13-08, 10:21 PM	No.
BloodPuppy 02-13-08, 10:28 PM	Actually druids being proficient in natural attacks would that allow imp trip to be used while shaped(instead of needing ImpUA?
dman11235 02-13-08, 10:57 PM	It's a prereq feat. IUS needs to be taken before Imp Trip or Grapple. You can still trip/grapple, you just don't get the +4 bonus and you incur an AoO. If you wildshape into a creature that gets free trips or grapples (wolf/bear), then you can get the free trips/grapples as according to their abilities.
mplindustries 02-14-08, 12:20 AM	Actually druids being proficient in natural attacks would that allow imp trip to be used while shaped(instead of needing ImpUA? It's a prereq feat. IUS needs to be taken before Imp Trip or Grapple. You can still trip/grapple, you just don't get the +4 bonus and you incur an AoO. If you wildshape into a creature that gets free trips or grapples (wolf/bear), then you can get the free trips/grapples as according to their abilities. What are you guys talking about? Improved Trip requires Combat Expertise, not Improved Unarmed Attack. You can do it in any form.
dman11235 02-14-08, 01:03 PM	Okay then, I was just generic responding to such an easy question. I wasn't really caring about accuracy of the details. My point was this: It has a prereq, you can't just ignore it.