[B]Vow of poverty[/B] [Archive] - Wizards Community

[B]Vow of poverty[/B] [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Mastel
07-17-07, 11:21 PM Do you allow VoP from the book of exalted deeds to be retrain since they say you may not take another feat to replace it?

IS the answer the same if the players still use it or have lost the use of it?

Sorry for my second language typo...
Kouk
07-18-07, 04:01 AM I would, just 'cause I'm that kind of guy.

I wouldn't have allowed it in the first place, but if there is the option to get rid of it by replacing it with something else, I would allow that.

Feat retraining is always the under the purview of the DM though. Only his opinion matters here.
Mastel
07-18-07, 09:39 AM Feat retraining is always the under the purview of the DM though. Only his opinion matters here.

I'm the DM & i'm not certain to allow retraining if my players lost the use of the feat VoP...
RobbyPants
07-18-07, 09:56 AM This is more of a personal thing for me, but I've always considered VoP a bit cheesy. Even cheesier still, it the ability to use it, and then swap it out for another feat when it is no longer useful.

"Wow. There was more money in that dragon hoard than we expected. Maybe I'll forsake my vow and buy some gear that will do me more good."
Mastel
07-18-07, 10:04 AM "Wow. There was more money in that dragon hoard than we expected. Maybe I'll forsake my vow and buy some gear that will do me more good."

This is funny, my players just kill a very old green dragon but they did not find the hoard...
Kouk
07-18-07, 10:06 AM Well, consider why he is changing it.

Also consider what the impact of losing that feat (and not replacing it with anything) would be for his character, and whether that may affect his enjoyment of the game.
Frugal
07-18-07, 10:39 AM I'd agree that you can't retrain for it. If you break the vow you lose the benefits and can't replace the feat right? So what would retraining do? Allow you to replace the feat, lose the benefits, and then take another feat. Sounds like an attempt to make an end-run on the rules that prevent you from replacing the feat since technically you haven't broken your vow yet you're now able to own gear and accumulate wealth.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Mastel 07-17-07, 11:21 PM	Do you allow VoP from the book of exalted deeds to be retrain since they say you may not take another feat to replace it? IS the answer the same if the players still use it or have lost the use of it? Sorry for my second language typo...
Kouk 07-18-07, 04:01 AM	I would, just 'cause I'm that kind of guy. I wouldn't have allowed it in the first place, but if there is the option to get rid of it by replacing it with something else, I would allow that. Feat retraining is always the under the purview of the DM though. Only his opinion matters here.
Mastel 07-18-07, 09:39 AM	Feat retraining is always the under the purview of the DM though. Only his opinion matters here. I'm the DM & i'm not certain to allow retraining if my players lost the use of the feat VoP...
RobbyPants 07-18-07, 09:56 AM	This is more of a personal thing for me, but I've always considered VoP a bit cheesy. Even cheesier still, it the ability to use it, and then swap it out for another feat when it is no longer useful. "Wow. There was more money in that dragon hoard than we expected. Maybe I'll forsake my vow and buy some gear that will do me more good."
Mastel 07-18-07, 10:04 AM	"Wow. There was more money in that dragon hoard than we expected. Maybe I'll forsake my vow and buy some gear that will do me more good." This is funny, my players just kill a very old green dragon but they did not find the hoard...
Kouk 07-18-07, 10:06 AM	Well, consider why he is changing it. Also consider what the impact of losing that feat (and not replacing it with anything) would be for his character, and whether that may affect his enjoyment of the game.
Frugal 07-18-07, 10:39 AM	I'd agree that you can't retrain for it. If you break the vow you lose the benefits and can't replace the feat right? So what would retraining do? Allow you to replace the feat, lose the benefits, and then take another feat. Sounds like an attempt to make an end-run on the rules that prevent you from replacing the feat since technically you haven't broken your vow yet you're now able to own gear and accumulate wealth.