Bard/Pally Multiclass Feat? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Bard/Pally Multiclass Feat? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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zeratulcraft
09-21-07, 10:42 AM I'm looking for a feat similar to the Ascetic Hunter (stuff stacks between like Monk and Ninja or whatever) type feats but for Bard and Paladin, namely the ability to multiclass freely between the two would be great.

I swear I've seen it, I just can't for the life of me remember where, am I imagining? If not, what book is it in?

Thanks
ZC
Kouk
09-21-07, 11:42 AM I'm pretty sure you are hallucinating.
DM Zoc
09-21-07, 11:47 AM Devoted Performer, Complete Adventurer
Ecalsneerg
09-21-07, 11:48 AM I'm looking for a feat similar to the Ascetic Hunter (stuff stacks between like Monk and Ninja or whatever) type feats but for Bard and Paladin, namely the ability to multiclass freely between the two would be great.

I swear I've seen it, I just can't for the life of me remember where, am I imagining? If not, what book is it in?

Thanks
ZC

Almost every sourcebook with Paladin material, if not all, assume you use the Laeful Good Paladin, and none of its variants. As Paladins must be Lawful Good, and Bards can't be Lawful, this feat won't exist.

EDIT: And according to DM Zoc, there is one. Damn my logic :(
Malchius
09-21-07, 11:49 AM Devoted Performer as DM Zoc said, it's lets you be a LG Bard if you're also a paladin.
Puca
09-21-07, 12:03 PM It also lets you continue to level as a bard even though you are Lawful. (You still must be LG for the paladin stuff.)

It doesnt help you rationalize how you got to be a multiclassed bard/paladin in the first place though.
Nightshade
09-21-07, 02:01 PM Devoted Performer lets you be a LG bard and level. Knight's Training from the ECS let's you go back to Paladin and increase your levels.
Puca
09-21-07, 02:26 PM Devoted Performer lets you be a LG bard and level. Knight's Training from the ECS let's you go back to Paladin and increase your levels.Devoted Performer lets you go back and increase your paladin levels too. You also stack levels for uses of bardic music and smiting.

It is specific to the bard class, where as Kight Training is more versatile in letting you pick a second class, but if you already know you are going paladin/bard, I think Devoted Performer is the better way to go.
bkdubs123
09-21-07, 02:47 PM So basically you go... Bard 1... then become Lawful Good, then go Pally 2 picking up Devoted Performer and then you pick up, say... 1 more level of Pally and go back to Bard for however long you like.

Hmm...

I actually rather like that build... I wonder if there's a way to get to Fochlucan Lyrist through Bard, Pally... You'd need to go a few more levels of Pally then normal and pick up what, two Rogue levels? Ah! It almost works! You have to be neutral and nonlawful! I think I'm going to make an NPC one with that build anyway. I think it could be an intriguingly effective blend...
Puca
09-21-07, 02:55 PM So basically you go... Bard 1... then become Lawful Good, then go Pally 2 picking up Devoted Performer and then you pick up, say... 1 more level of Pally and go back to Bard for however long you like.

Hmm...Or back to pally again. I think it works better when you concentrate more on one than the other, but which one is a flavor choice.

I actually rather like that build... I wonder if there's a way to get to Fochlucan Lyrist through Bard, Pally... You'd need to go a few more levels of Pally then normal and pick up what, two Rogue levels? Ah! It almost works! You have to be neutral and nonlawful! I think I'm going to make an NPC one with that build anyway. I think it could be an intriguingly effective blend...You cant get around the alignment restrictions of the lyrist, nor get the ability to speak Drudic though.
bkdubs123
09-21-07, 03:24 PM Oh! Damn Druid! I forgot about having to speak Druidic! Grr...

I don't care! I'm making the NPC! *raspberry*
zeratulcraft
09-21-07, 09:43 PM Thanks guys, I KNEW I'd seen the feat somewhere before! Everyone in my group thought I was high or something, but yay thanks! *cookies for all*
Salla
09-21-07, 09:52 PM Of course, the easiest way is to houserule away the completely ridiculous alignment restriction on the Bard, but that's just my opinion. :D
Ecalsneerg
09-22-07, 07:56 AM You cant get around the alignment restrictions of the lyrist, nor get the ability to speak Drudic though.

A druid could teach you Druidic. He'd just need to atone afterwards.
EvilVegan
09-22-07, 08:14 AM As for the "logic" of it (I don't think bard alignment restrictions are logical to begin with):

You travel as a bard for a few levels, and then you are called to be a paladin. It isn't something they choose to do.

You pretty much have to start as a bard for it to make sense though, unless you want to atone.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
zeratulcraft 09-21-07, 10:42 AM	I'm looking for a feat similar to the Ascetic Hunter (stuff stacks between like Monk and Ninja or whatever) type feats but for Bard and Paladin, namely the ability to multiclass freely between the two would be great. I swear I've seen it, I just can't for the life of me remember where, am I imagining? If not, what book is it in? Thanks ZC
Kouk 09-21-07, 11:42 AM	I'm pretty sure you are hallucinating.
DM Zoc 09-21-07, 11:47 AM	Devoted Performer, Complete Adventurer
Ecalsneerg 09-21-07, 11:48 AM	I'm looking for a feat similar to the Ascetic Hunter (stuff stacks between like Monk and Ninja or whatever) type feats but for Bard and Paladin, namely the ability to multiclass freely between the two would be great. I swear I've seen it, I just can't for the life of me remember where, am I imagining? If not, what book is it in? Thanks ZC Almost every sourcebook with Paladin material, if not all, assume you use the Laeful Good Paladin, and none of its variants. As Paladins must be Lawful Good, and Bards can't be Lawful, this feat won't exist. EDIT: And according to DM Zoc, there is one. Damn my logic :(
Malchius 09-21-07, 11:49 AM	Devoted Performer as DM Zoc said, it's lets you be a LG Bard if you're also a paladin.
Puca 09-21-07, 12:03 PM	It also lets you continue to level as a bard even though you are Lawful. (You still must be LG for the paladin stuff.) It doesnt help you rationalize how you got to be a multiclassed bard/paladin in the first place though.
Nightshade 09-21-07, 02:01 PM	Devoted Performer lets you be a LG bard and level. Knight's Training from the ECS let's you go back to Paladin and increase your levels.
Puca 09-21-07, 02:26 PM	Devoted Performer lets you be a LG bard and level. Knight's Training from the ECS let's you go back to Paladin and increase your levels.Devoted Performer lets you go back and increase your paladin levels too. You also stack levels for uses of bardic music and smiting. It is specific to the bard class, where as Kight Training is more versatile in letting you pick a second class, but if you already know you are going paladin/bard, I think Devoted Performer is the better way to go.
bkdubs123 09-21-07, 02:47 PM	So basically you go... Bard 1... then become Lawful Good, then go Pally 2 picking up Devoted Performer and then you pick up, say... 1 more level of Pally and go back to Bard for however long you like. Hmm... I actually rather like that build... I wonder if there's a way to get to Fochlucan Lyrist through Bard, Pally... You'd need to go a few more levels of Pally then normal and pick up what, two Rogue levels? Ah! It almost works! You have to be neutral and nonlawful! I think I'm going to make an NPC one with that build anyway. I think it could be an intriguingly effective blend...
Puca 09-21-07, 02:55 PM	So basically you go... Bard 1... then become Lawful Good, then go Pally 2 picking up Devoted Performer and then you pick up, say... 1 more level of Pally and go back to Bard for however long you like. Hmm...Or back to pally again. I think it works better when you concentrate more on one than the other, but which one is a flavor choice. I actually rather like that build... I wonder if there's a way to get to Fochlucan Lyrist through Bard, Pally... You'd need to go a few more levels of Pally then normal and pick up what, two Rogue levels? Ah! It almost works! You have to be neutral and nonlawful! I think I'm going to make an NPC one with that build anyway. I think it could be an intriguingly effective blend...You cant get around the alignment restrictions of the lyrist, nor get the ability to speak Drudic though.
bkdubs123 09-21-07, 03:24 PM	Oh! Damn Druid! I forgot about having to speak Druidic! Grr... I don't care! I'm making the NPC! raspberry
zeratulcraft 09-21-07, 09:43 PM	Thanks guys, I KNEW I'd seen the feat somewhere before! Everyone in my group thought I was high or something, but yay thanks! cookies for all
Salla 09-21-07, 09:52 PM	Of course, the easiest way is to houserule away the completely ridiculous alignment restriction on the Bard, but that's just my opinion. :D
Ecalsneerg 09-22-07, 07:56 AM	You cant get around the alignment restrictions of the lyrist, nor get the ability to speak Drudic though. A druid could teach you Druidic. He'd just need to atone afterwards.
EvilVegan 09-22-07, 08:14 AM	As for the "logic" of it (I don't think bard alignment restrictions are logical to begin with): You travel as a bard for a few levels, and then you are called to be a paladin. It isn't something they choose to do. You pretty much have to start as a bard for it to make sense though, unless you want to atone.