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Post/Author/DateTime Post
Jeriaus
06-21-07, 05:27 PM I remember seeing a feat that let Undead add thier Cha bonus to thier HP, but I dont remeber what it was. Where is this feat? OR Im a crazy and made it up? Thanks in advance.
The_Shaman
06-21-07, 05:29 PM Well, I know of a feat that allows characters to get Cha instead of con to HP at lvl 1 (FR regional, mind over body, nice for casters)... I'm not sure about undead.
Jeriaus
06-21-07, 05:30 PM Maybe thats what it was. Serves my purposes just as well. Thanks!:D
StruckingFuggle
06-21-07, 05:40 PM It's called Unholy Toughness, and it's not a feat, but rather a racial trait for some varieties of undead.
Empiro
06-21-07, 07:22 PM I think every undead since MM3 (that also have a positive Cha mod) have had Unholy Toughness, often giving them, well...an unholy number of hitpoints.
cwslyclgh
06-21-07, 09:07 PM I think every undead since MM3 (that also have a positive Cha mod) have had Unholy Toughness, often giving them, well...an unholy number of hitpoints.only undead that appeared in MM3 have unholy toughness (and then not all of them), for instance none of the undead from libris mortis have it, none of the undead from MM4 have it...etc.
Part-Human2
06-21-07, 10:37 PM The Dry Lich template (Sandstorm) has it.
cwslyclgh
06-22-07, 01:17 AM okay, one that doesn't appear in MM3 has it as well (there may even be a couple more) that still proves wrong Empiro's statement.
one_eyed
06-22-07, 02:31 AM i know it's kinda off topic, but how in the world does high charisma help you suffer less damage from a sword in the guts?
Meep326
06-22-07, 02:48 AM 'Cause for undead they have no con, so their cha, or their unwillingness to die, gives them more will to fight through that sword in the gut.
The_Shaman
06-22-07, 03:23 AM Although you don't need the gut for much anymore, I guess it helps if you think yourself too beautiful to be stopped by such a minor inconvenience. A less charismatic undead panics and realizes it has heart failure. Hence it dies.
StruckingFuggle
06-22-07, 03:28 AM Because if you read the game text, hit points represent more than just your body's ability to "take a licking and keep on ticking". Cha to HP can be the self-centered drive to keep going despite the road getting hard and wearing you down ... the will to fight on, as someone else said.

Kind of like how Crusader strikes can heal you without magic. They don't close wounds, just bolster your will to not fall.
Banatine
06-22-07, 04:18 AM Unholy toughness represents how fiercly some undead cling to (un)life. The logic behind it would be the mindset of the creature being "I have felt the cold embrace of death, and I will never suffer it again!"
Frugal
06-22-07, 08:51 AM CHA isn't appearance, repeat it until it gets beaten into your head. If that doesn't work, try it while applying the spine of one of the D&D hardcovers to your forehead repeatedly.

CHA is force of personality, contrary to what you might believe from fantasy art, the hot sorcerer chick is a better spellcaster because she bends magic to her will, not because she's hot and wearing less than a square foot of cloth on her entire body (she's doing that to avoid arcane spell failure).

It makes perfect sense that an undead being who's spirit continues to remain on the material plane (possibly with a body) by virtue of his strong will to remain here should have greater HP.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Jeriaus 06-21-07, 05:27 PM	I remember seeing a feat that let Undead add thier Cha bonus to thier HP, but I dont remeber what it was. Where is this feat? OR Im a crazy and made it up? Thanks in advance.
The_Shaman 06-21-07, 05:29 PM	Well, I know of a feat that allows characters to get Cha instead of con to HP at lvl 1 (FR regional, mind over body, nice for casters)... I'm not sure about undead.
Jeriaus 06-21-07, 05:30 PM	Maybe thats what it was. Serves my purposes just as well. Thanks!:D
StruckingFuggle 06-21-07, 05:40 PM	It's called Unholy Toughness, and it's not a feat, but rather a racial trait for some varieties of undead.
Empiro 06-21-07, 07:22 PM	I think every undead since MM3 (that also have a positive Cha mod) have had Unholy Toughness, often giving them, well...an unholy number of hitpoints.
cwslyclgh 06-21-07, 09:07 PM	I think every undead since MM3 (that also have a positive Cha mod) have had Unholy Toughness, often giving them, well...an unholy number of hitpoints.only undead that appeared in MM3 have unholy toughness (and then not all of them), for instance none of the undead from libris mortis have it, none of the undead from MM4 have it...etc.
Part-Human2 06-21-07, 10:37 PM	The Dry Lich template (Sandstorm) has it.
cwslyclgh 06-22-07, 01:17 AM	okay, one that doesn't appear in MM3 has it as well (there may even be a couple more) that still proves wrong Empiro's statement.
one_eyed 06-22-07, 02:31 AM	i know it's kinda off topic, but how in the world does high charisma help you suffer less damage from a sword in the guts?
Meep326 06-22-07, 02:48 AM	'Cause for undead they have no con, so their cha, or their unwillingness to die, gives them more will to fight through that sword in the gut.
The_Shaman 06-22-07, 03:23 AM	Although you don't need the gut for much anymore, I guess it helps if you think yourself too beautiful to be stopped by such a minor inconvenience. A less charismatic undead panics and realizes it has heart failure. Hence it dies.
StruckingFuggle 06-22-07, 03:28 AM	Because if you read the game text, hit points represent more than just your body's ability to "take a licking and keep on ticking". Cha to HP can be the self-centered drive to keep going despite the road getting hard and wearing you down ... the will to fight on, as someone else said. Kind of like how Crusader strikes can heal you without magic. They don't close wounds, just bolster your will to not fall.
Banatine 06-22-07, 04:18 AM	Unholy toughness represents how fiercly some undead cling to (un)life. The logic behind it would be the mindset of the creature being "I have felt the cold embrace of death, and I will never suffer it again!"
Frugal 06-22-07, 08:51 AM	CHA isn't appearance, repeat it until it gets beaten into your head. If that doesn't work, try it while applying the spine of one of the D&D hardcovers to your forehead repeatedly. CHA is force of personality, contrary to what you might believe from fantasy art, the hot sorcerer chick is a better spellcaster because she bends magic to her will, not because she's hot and wearing less than a square foot of cloth on her entire body (she's doing that to avoid arcane spell failure). It makes perfect sense that an undead being who's spirit continues to remain on the material plane (possibly with a body) by virtue of his strong will to remain here should have greater HP.