Convert Sneak Attack Die to Attack Bonus? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Convert Sneak Attack Die to Attack Bonus? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Operation_Shoestring
12-15-07, 06:24 AM I remember hearing about a feat that allowed you to convert sneak attack die to +2 to hit. Anyone know what it was?
coston89
12-15-07, 02:44 PM I don't know if there is a feat like that but why would you take one like it? Giving up SA to hit more, what rogue would get this?
CryoSilver
12-15-07, 02:47 PM Well, if you can choose how much SA to give up, a TWFing roguemight want this to get a better chance to land more hits, presuming the chance to hit offsets the reduced damage output. This ability trades 3.5 damage for 2 to hit; a slightly worse ratio than Power Attack with a 2 handed weapon.
Hanzo187
12-15-07, 03:03 PM The Feat's called Precise Strike. It's in Dragon Magazine, issue 310, and it lets you give up any number of SA dice for an attack bonus. That's probably what you're looking for, but I wouldn't recommend taking it.
Operation_Shoestring
12-20-07, 03:28 AM The Feat's called Precise Strike. It's in Dragon Magazine, issue 310, and it lets you give up any number of SA dice for an attack bonus. That's probably what you're looking for, but I wouldn't recommend taking it.

Dude, any number of SA i choose die for Attack bonus? I'd be a F-ing idiot NOT to take it if my DM let me. It'd make ambush feats completely awesome. Depending on the rogue build that could be a painful number of debuffs per round at superb accuracy. Screw SA damage. The fighter can kill it after i've reduced it to impotency.
risner
12-20-07, 10:29 AM I remember hearing about a feat that allowed you to convert sneak attack die to +2 to hit. Anyone know what it was?

Immediately, that isn't very balanced.

+2 per 1d6 means you effectively turn a rogue into a Full BAB +1 class who retains all the other rogue benefits.

You sure it wasn't +3 per 2d6? That is if it exists at all.
InkBlot
12-20-07, 12:08 PM I don't see how it would be overpowered. Rogues don't have much besides Sneak Attack and lots of skills.

Rangers have full BAB and only 2 fewer skill points than the Rogue. Take away the Ranger's higher hit die, animal companion, spells, and second good save. Wouldn't this poor creature deserve 2 more skill points and a few more class skills? That's what you'd have from trading a Rogue's Sneak Attack for attack bonus.

Actually, it's worse than that. The attack bonus isn't actually Base Attack Bonus. It doesn't give you extra attacks, and it only applies against dex-less or flanked foes.

I think it's a fair feat.
Operation_Shoestring
12-22-07, 02:14 AM I don't see how it would be overpowered. Rogues don't have much besides Sneak Attack and lots of skills.

Rangers have full BAB and only 2 fewer skill points than the Rogue. Take away the Ranger's higher hit die, animal companion, spells, and second good save. Wouldn't this poor creature deserve 2 more skill points and a few more class skills? That's what you'd have from trading a Rogue's Sneak Attack for attack bonus.

Actually, it's worse than that. The attack bonus isn't actually Base Attack Bonus. It doesn't give you extra attacks, and it only applies against dex-less or flanked foes.

I think it's a fair feat.

What he said.

And with the right ambush feats and TWF, i can be a Debuffer rogue rather than just a damage dealer.
Sinfire Titan
12-22-07, 02:52 AM The feat has been mentioned, but I might add that it requires you to reduce all of your Sneak Attacks that round by the amount you add to your attack rolls. Somewhat limits the Ambush feat application.
Operation_Shoestring
12-23-07, 07:05 PM The feat has been mentioned, but I might add that it requires you to reduce all of your Sneak Attacks that round by the amount you add to your attack rolls. Somewhat limits the Ambush feat application.

The idea is to totally throw SA damage out the window, and act as a pocket-debuff-mage. Win initiative with your high dex and then hit enemies with uber accurate debuff strikes. So when your fighter ally's turn comes up, he chews right through the now gimped enemy. Or you can apply full SA damage the next round.
MrCustomer
12-23-07, 07:57 PM The most obvious benifit is for hitting creatures with significantly high enough AC that it's better to try and land any attack rather then miss your Sneak Attack. Sometimes you have to run with the statistics.

Conversely there are many creatures that are imune to Sneak Attacks, like the Undead, the rogue looses nothing by trading off Sneak Attack that cannot land.
InkBlot
12-24-07, 02:40 AM I haven't seen the feat, but I assume that you have to actually be able to use Sneak Attack in order to be able to trade it for attack bonus. Since it's impossible to Sneak Attack undead, you wouldn't be able to trade for the hit bonus.

On the other hand, I don't think ruling the other way is so bad. Kind of depends on the prerequisites, I guess.
Sinfire Titan
12-24-07, 02:50 AM I haven't seen the feat, but I assume that you have to actually be able to use Sneak Attack in order to be able to trade it for attack bonus. Since it's impossible to Sneak Attack undead, you wouldn't be able to trade for the hit bonus.

On the other hand, I don't think ruling the other way is so bad. Kind of depends on the prerequisites, I guess.

As long as the attack qualifies for a Sneak Attack, you can use the feat. It all depends on the argument. I, for one, would say that if it can be a target of a sneak attack, then it could be affected regardless of it's immunity to the damage. Something like Improved Uncanny Dodge would negate the feat however. At least, IMO.
Rulebook
12-26-07, 02:24 AM yeah, you still deal the sneak attack dice to the undead and constructs... they're just immune to the damage from them. its like the burst effects.

but hells yeah i'd take the feat. OH NOES -2d6 at higher levels is really gonna hurt, especially when that +4 bonus to hit makes me land 2 more sneak attacks!
elonin
12-26-07, 07:51 AM There is a feat I recall seeing in a core book. Give up 2d6 of sneak attack and the strikee gets it's ac reduced by 5. My twf rogue will take that every day. And since this reduces the ac for all of my allies it is the gift that keeps on giving.
Egres
12-27-07, 04:16 AM There is a feat I recall seeing in a core book. Give up 2d6 of sneak attack and the strikee gets it's ac reduced by 5. My twf rogue will take that every day. And since this reduces the ac for all of my allies it is the gift that keeps on giving.
It's an alternative class feature in the PHB II.
Sinfire Titan
12-27-07, 07:24 AM It's a an alternative class feature in the PHB II.

QFT.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Operation_Shoestring 12-15-07, 06:24 AM	I remember hearing about a feat that allowed you to convert sneak attack die to +2 to hit. Anyone know what it was?
coston89 12-15-07, 02:44 PM	I don't know if there is a feat like that but why would you take one like it? Giving up SA to hit more, what rogue would get this?
CryoSilver 12-15-07, 02:47 PM	Well, if you can choose how much SA to give up, a TWFing roguemight want this to get a better chance to land more hits, presuming the chance to hit offsets the reduced damage output. This ability trades 3.5 damage for 2 to hit; a slightly worse ratio than Power Attack with a 2 handed weapon.
Hanzo187 12-15-07, 03:03 PM	The Feat's called Precise Strike. It's in Dragon Magazine, issue 310, and it lets you give up any number of SA dice for an attack bonus. That's probably what you're looking for, but I wouldn't recommend taking it.
Operation_Shoestring 12-20-07, 03:28 AM	The Feat's called Precise Strike. It's in Dragon Magazine, issue 310, and it lets you give up any number of SA dice for an attack bonus. That's probably what you're looking for, but I wouldn't recommend taking it. Dude, any number of SA i choose die for Attack bonus? I'd be a F-ing idiot NOT to take it if my DM let me. It'd make ambush feats completely awesome. Depending on the rogue build that could be a painful number of debuffs per round at superb accuracy. Screw SA damage. The fighter can kill it after i've reduced it to impotency.
risner 12-20-07, 10:29 AM	I remember hearing about a feat that allowed you to convert sneak attack die to +2 to hit. Anyone know what it was? Immediately, that isn't very balanced. +2 per 1d6 means you effectively turn a rogue into a Full BAB +1 class who retains all the other rogue benefits. You sure it wasn't +3 per 2d6? That is if it exists at all.
InkBlot 12-20-07, 12:08 PM	I don't see how it would be overpowered. Rogues don't have much besides Sneak Attack and lots of skills. Rangers have full BAB and only 2 fewer skill points than the Rogue. Take away the Ranger's higher hit die, animal companion, spells, and second good save. Wouldn't this poor creature deserve 2 more skill points and a few more class skills? That's what you'd have from trading a Rogue's Sneak Attack for attack bonus. Actually, it's worse than that. The attack bonus isn't actually Base Attack Bonus. It doesn't give you extra attacks, and it only applies against dex-less or flanked foes. I think it's a fair feat.
Operation_Shoestring 12-22-07, 02:14 AM	I don't see how it would be overpowered. Rogues don't have much besides Sneak Attack and lots of skills. Rangers have full BAB and only 2 fewer skill points than the Rogue. Take away the Ranger's higher hit die, animal companion, spells, and second good save. Wouldn't this poor creature deserve 2 more skill points and a few more class skills? That's what you'd have from trading a Rogue's Sneak Attack for attack bonus. Actually, it's worse than that. The attack bonus isn't actually Base Attack Bonus. It doesn't give you extra attacks, and it only applies against dex-less or flanked foes. I think it's a fair feat. What he said. And with the right ambush feats and TWF, i can be a Debuffer rogue rather than just a damage dealer.
Sinfire Titan 12-22-07, 02:52 AM	The feat has been mentioned, but I might add that it requires you to reduce all of your Sneak Attacks that round by the amount you add to your attack rolls. Somewhat limits the Ambush feat application.
Operation_Shoestring 12-23-07, 07:05 PM	The feat has been mentioned, but I might add that it requires you to reduce all of your Sneak Attacks that round by the amount you add to your attack rolls. Somewhat limits the Ambush feat application. The idea is to totally throw SA damage out the window, and act as a pocket-debuff-mage. Win initiative with your high dex and then hit enemies with uber accurate debuff strikes. So when your fighter ally's turn comes up, he chews right through the now gimped enemy. Or you can apply full SA damage the next round.
MrCustomer 12-23-07, 07:57 PM	The most obvious benifit is for hitting creatures with significantly high enough AC that it's better to try and land any attack rather then miss your Sneak Attack. Sometimes you have to run with the statistics. Conversely there are many creatures that are imune to Sneak Attacks, like the Undead, the rogue looses nothing by trading off Sneak Attack that cannot land.
InkBlot 12-24-07, 02:40 AM	I haven't seen the feat, but I assume that you have to actually be able to use Sneak Attack in order to be able to trade it for attack bonus. Since it's impossible to Sneak Attack undead, you wouldn't be able to trade for the hit bonus. On the other hand, I don't think ruling the other way is so bad. Kind of depends on the prerequisites, I guess.
Sinfire Titan 12-24-07, 02:50 AM	I haven't seen the feat, but I assume that you have to actually be able to use Sneak Attack in order to be able to trade it for attack bonus. Since it's impossible to Sneak Attack undead, you wouldn't be able to trade for the hit bonus. On the other hand, I don't think ruling the other way is so bad. Kind of depends on the prerequisites, I guess. As long as the attack qualifies for a Sneak Attack, you can use the feat. It all depends on the argument. I, for one, would say that if it can be a target of a sneak attack, then it could be affected regardless of it's immunity to the damage. Something like Improved Uncanny Dodge would negate the feat however. At least, IMO.
Rulebook 12-26-07, 02:24 AM	yeah, you still deal the sneak attack dice to the undead and constructs... they're just immune to the damage from them. its like the burst effects. but hells yeah i'd take the feat. OH NOES -2d6 at higher levels is really gonna hurt, especially when that +4 bonus to hit makes me land 2 more sneak attacks!
elonin 12-26-07, 07:51 AM	There is a feat I recall seeing in a core book. Give up 2d6 of sneak attack and the strikee gets it's ac reduced by 5. My twf rogue will take that every day. And since this reduces the ac for all of my allies it is the gift that keeps on giving.
Egres 12-27-07, 04:16 AM	There is a feat I recall seeing in a core book. Give up 2d6 of sneak attack and the strikee gets it's ac reduced by 5. My twf rogue will take that every day. And since this reduces the ac for all of my allies it is the gift that keeps on giving. It's an alternative class feature in the PHB II.
Sinfire Titan 12-27-07, 07:24 AM	It's a an alternative class feature in the PHB II. QFT.