CrossBow Fiddle [Archive] - Wizards Community

CrossBow Fiddle [Archive] - Wizards Community

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LiLRogue
03-25-07, 09:44 PM Could the combination of the skills craft weapon smithing and craft musical instruments help make a fiddle cross bow per say.
enygmatic_me
03-25-07, 11:39 PM Could the combination of the skills craft weapon smithing and craft musical instruments help make a fiddle cross bow per say.

Sure. That is part of the fun of the game, making wacky stuff.
Cartigan
03-25-07, 11:44 PM Sure. That is part of the fun of the game, making wacky stuff.

As stated about the item in the proper forum, you can't actually make a crossbow fiddle, even in Rube Goldberg land because the two devices can't be combined and still be both devices.
ClementWillowbreaker
03-25-07, 11:44 PM Going solely on your crossposting, I would say no.
TheDarkLord
03-25-07, 11:55 PM Come on now, I answered in the other post, why ya wanna go a make two of them.
LiLRogue
03-26-07, 12:10 AM the other won wasnt getting anything and i needed the answer quick.
enygmatic_me
03-26-07, 02:33 AM So the opinion is that the structural integrity and design function of this item would be as such that it would not allow the item to function as both. In the real world I would agree with that. In a game that has magic as an acceptable answer to a given question though I have to disagree.

The game has a magical double longsword that acts as a longbow as well. If that item is acceptable under the concept of "it's magic" then so should a fiddle that acts as a crossbow.
Cartigan
03-26-07, 07:18 AM So the opinion is that the structural integrity and design function of this item would be as such that it would not allow the item to function as both. In the real world I would agree with that. In a game that has magic as an acceptable answer to a given question though I have to disagree.

The game has a magical double longsword that acts as a longbow as well. If that item is acceptable under the concept of "it's magic" then so should a fiddle that acts as a crossbow.
I don't know anything about that, but thinking about it, it is still more plausible than a crossbow fiddle.
enygmatic_me
03-26-07, 01:18 PM I don't know anything about that, but thinking about it, it is still more plausible than a crossbow fiddle.

How so? I would think that a longsword blade would be a lowsy place to string a bowstring. A fiddle would probably be more acceptable as a shortbow, but I see nothing wrong with allowing one to be a crossbow.
RobbyPants
03-26-07, 01:41 PM Could the combination of the skills craft weapon smithing and craft musical instruments help make a fiddle cross bow per say.
For purposes of fun, I could see saying yes, but if I wanted to be realistic, I'd have to say no. Of course, how much of this game is realistic anyway? It's not like your request is game breaking or anything (although it would look wierd :P).
Cartigan
03-26-07, 02:28 PM How so? I would think that a longsword blade would be a lowsy place to string a bowstring.
Blades are not always sharp in all places, true long swords are double-edged, but it could be notched at a point to not be sharp to string the bow there.
enygmatic_me
03-26-07, 04:26 PM Blades are not always sharp in all places, true long swords are double-edged, but it could be notched at a point to not be sharp to string the bow there.

So notching the tip of the blade (and thus reducing it's integrity) to allow the use of a bowstring is more realistic then a fiddle that is also a crossbow?

Let's get a little more into detail on what we are comparing here.

A double sword whose blades magically curve (like a scimitar or sabre) to be used as a longbow and allows the user to make ranged and melee attacks in the same round with the same weapon and, as a bonus, they do not provoke attacks of opportunity for making ranged attacks from adjacent foes. This weapon is believable, but the crossbow/fiddle isn't.
Cartigan
03-26-07, 05:55 PM So notching the tip of the blade (and thus reducing it's integrity) to allow the use of a bowstring is more realistic then a fiddle that is also a crossbow?
Yes, notching part of a blade is far more feasible than a crossbow fiddle.

A double sword whose blades magically curve (like a scimitar or sabre) to be used as a longbow and allows the user to make ranged and melee attacks in the same round with the same weapon and, as a bonus, they do not provoke attacks of opportunity for making ranged attacks from adjacent foes. This weapon is believable, but the crossbow/fiddle isn't.
Yes. A crossbow isn't magical. You have to put the mechanisms somewhere. So even if you ignore that fiddles are strung up the body meaning the strings of the instrument itself couldn't be used in the crossbow, you still have to recognize that the mechanisms would be going inside and through the fiddle screwing with its very operation.
But like I said a plain shortbow fiddle is plausible.
enygmatic_me
03-26-07, 06:36 PM Yes, notching part of a blade is far more feasible than a crossbow fiddle.

A notch someplace lower on the blade maybe, but putting a notch up at the tip is asking to snap the tip of your blade off.

Yes. A crossbow isn't magical. You have to put the mechanisms somewhere. So even if you ignore that fiddles are strung up the body meaning the strings of the instrument itself couldn't be used in the crossbow, you still have to recognize that the mechanisms would be going inside and through the fiddle screwing with its very operation.
But like I said a plain shortbow fiddle is plausible.

The mechanism of the crossbow (ie, the trigger system) could be a very simple lever actually in the neck of the fiddle, or the neck of the fiddle itself. The bow could fold against the body of the fiddle and lock into place when in use and bolts would be fired along the back of the fiddle. Statically I don't see it being much better than a hand crossbow (maybe a light crossbow), but I do think it is possible to accomplish.
Cartigan
03-26-07, 06:45 PM A notch someplace lower on the blade maybe, but putting a notch up at the tip is asking to snap the tip of your blade off.
1) Unlikely.
2) Why would you do that?

The mechanism of the crossbow (ie, the trigger system) could be a very simple lever actually in the neck of the fiddle, or the neck of the fiddle itself. The bow could fold against the body of the fiddle and lock into place when in use and bolts would be fired along the back of the fiddle. Statically I don't see it being much better than a hand crossbow (maybe a light crossbow), but I do think it is possible to accomplish.
You people should just use a bloody shortbow fiddle.
How could bolts be fired along the backside of the fiddle? How is the crossbow going to be held or loaded without ruining the instrument? The neck isn't exactly supposed to be sturdy and I doubt would be able to hold the pressure of a crossbow.
enygmatic_me
03-26-07, 07:37 PM 1) Unlikely.
2) Why would you do that?

You can't just put a tiny notch in the blade. The string would still rub the edge and you would end up cutting your own string.

You people should just use a bloody shortbow fiddle.
How could bolts be fired along the backside of the fiddle? How is the crossbow going to be held or loaded without ruining the instrument? The neck isn't exactly supposed to be sturdy and I doubt would be able to hold the pressure of a crossbow.

Nobody said that it wouldn't need re-enforcing and modification. I am just saying that it is not impossible. It really isn't that far of a stretch of the imagination...especially in a game with magic and gods of crafting and gnomes that can make life-like clockwork dire lions.

As to using the fiddle/shortbow combo I do agree with that, just see no reason to limit a players ability to have fun.
Bopple
03-26-07, 10:11 PM Is a crossbow-fiddle really wierder than a dire flail or a gnome hooked hammer?
I don't think so.
Cartigan
03-26-07, 10:19 PM Is a crossbow-fiddle really wierder than a dire flail or a gnome hooked hammer?
I don't think so.
Weirdness and feasibility are a bit different, which no one is taking into account.
Bopple
03-26-07, 10:32 PM Then please explain it to me how a dire flail or a gnome hooked hammer is feasible, without hurting the wielder.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
LiLRogue 03-25-07, 09:44 PM	Could the combination of the skills craft weapon smithing and craft musical instruments help make a fiddle cross bow per say.
enygmatic_me 03-25-07, 11:39 PM	Could the combination of the skills craft weapon smithing and craft musical instruments help make a fiddle cross bow per say. Sure. That is part of the fun of the game, making wacky stuff.
Cartigan 03-25-07, 11:44 PM	Sure. That is part of the fun of the game, making wacky stuff. As stated about the item in the proper forum, you can't actually make a crossbow fiddle, even in Rube Goldberg land because the two devices can't be combined and still be both devices.
ClementWillowbreaker 03-25-07, 11:44 PM	Going solely on your crossposting, I would say no.
TheDarkLord 03-25-07, 11:55 PM	Come on now, I answered in the other post, why ya wanna go a make two of them.
LiLRogue 03-26-07, 12:10 AM	the other won wasnt getting anything and i needed the answer quick.
enygmatic_me 03-26-07, 02:33 AM	So the opinion is that the structural integrity and design function of this item would be as such that it would not allow the item to function as both. In the real world I would agree with that. In a game that has magic as an acceptable answer to a given question though I have to disagree. The game has a magical double longsword that acts as a longbow as well. If that item is acceptable under the concept of "it's magic" then so should a fiddle that acts as a crossbow.
Cartigan 03-26-07, 07:18 AM	So the opinion is that the structural integrity and design function of this item would be as such that it would not allow the item to function as both. In the real world I would agree with that. In a game that has magic as an acceptable answer to a given question though I have to disagree. The game has a magical double longsword that acts as a longbow as well. If that item is acceptable under the concept of "it's magic" then so should a fiddle that acts as a crossbow. I don't know anything about that, but thinking about it, it is still more plausible than a crossbow fiddle.
enygmatic_me 03-26-07, 01:18 PM	I don't know anything about that, but thinking about it, it is still more plausible than a crossbow fiddle. How so? I would think that a longsword blade would be a lowsy place to string a bowstring. A fiddle would probably be more acceptable as a shortbow, but I see nothing wrong with allowing one to be a crossbow.
RobbyPants 03-26-07, 01:41 PM	Could the combination of the skills craft weapon smithing and craft musical instruments help make a fiddle cross bow per say. For purposes of fun, I could see saying yes, but if I wanted to be realistic, I'd have to say no. Of course, how much of this game is realistic anyway? It's not like your request is game breaking or anything (although it would look wierd :P).
Cartigan 03-26-07, 02:28 PM	How so? I would think that a longsword blade would be a lowsy place to string a bowstring. Blades are not always sharp in all places, true long swords are double-edged, but it could be notched at a point to not be sharp to string the bow there.
enygmatic_me 03-26-07, 04:26 PM	Blades are not always sharp in all places, true long swords are double-edged, but it could be notched at a point to not be sharp to string the bow there. So notching the tip of the blade (and thus reducing it's integrity) to allow the use of a bowstring is more realistic then a fiddle that is also a crossbow? Let's get a little more into detail on what we are comparing here. A double sword whose blades magically curve (like a scimitar or sabre) to be used as a longbow and allows the user to make ranged and melee attacks in the same round with the same weapon and, as a bonus, they do not provoke attacks of opportunity for making ranged attacks from adjacent foes. This weapon is believable, but the crossbow/fiddle isn't.
Cartigan 03-26-07, 05:55 PM	So notching the tip of the blade (and thus reducing it's integrity) to allow the use of a bowstring is more realistic then a fiddle that is also a crossbow? Yes, notching part of a blade is far more feasible than a crossbow fiddle. A double sword whose blades magically curve (like a scimitar or sabre) to be used as a longbow and allows the user to make ranged and melee attacks in the same round with the same weapon and, as a bonus, they do not provoke attacks of opportunity for making ranged attacks from adjacent foes. This weapon is believable, but the crossbow/fiddle isn't. Yes. A crossbow isn't magical. You have to put the mechanisms somewhere. So even if you ignore that fiddles are strung up the body meaning the strings of the instrument itself couldn't be used in the crossbow, you still have to recognize that the mechanisms would be going inside and through the fiddle screwing with its very operation. But like I said a plain shortbow fiddle is plausible.
enygmatic_me 03-26-07, 06:36 PM	Yes, notching part of a blade is far more feasible than a crossbow fiddle. A notch someplace lower on the blade maybe, but putting a notch up at the tip is asking to snap the tip of your blade off. Yes. A crossbow isn't magical. You have to put the mechanisms somewhere. So even if you ignore that fiddles are strung up the body meaning the strings of the instrument itself couldn't be used in the crossbow, you still have to recognize that the mechanisms would be going inside and through the fiddle screwing with its very operation. But like I said a plain shortbow fiddle is plausible. The mechanism of the crossbow (ie, the trigger system) could be a very simple lever actually in the neck of the fiddle, or the neck of the fiddle itself. The bow could fold against the body of the fiddle and lock into place when in use and bolts would be fired along the back of the fiddle. Statically I don't see it being much better than a hand crossbow (maybe a light crossbow), but I do think it is possible to accomplish.
Cartigan 03-26-07, 06:45 PM	A notch someplace lower on the blade maybe, but putting a notch up at the tip is asking to snap the tip of your blade off. 1) Unlikely. 2) Why would you do that? The mechanism of the crossbow (ie, the trigger system) could be a very simple lever actually in the neck of the fiddle, or the neck of the fiddle itself. The bow could fold against the body of the fiddle and lock into place when in use and bolts would be fired along the back of the fiddle. Statically I don't see it being much better than a hand crossbow (maybe a light crossbow), but I do think it is possible to accomplish. You people should just use a bloody shortbow fiddle. How could bolts be fired along the backside of the fiddle? How is the crossbow going to be held or loaded without ruining the instrument? The neck isn't exactly supposed to be sturdy and I doubt would be able to hold the pressure of a crossbow.
enygmatic_me 03-26-07, 07:37 PM	1) Unlikely. 2) Why would you do that? You can't just put a tiny notch in the blade. The string would still rub the edge and you would end up cutting your own string. You people should just use a bloody shortbow fiddle. How could bolts be fired along the backside of the fiddle? How is the crossbow going to be held or loaded without ruining the instrument? The neck isn't exactly supposed to be sturdy and I doubt would be able to hold the pressure of a crossbow. Nobody said that it wouldn't need re-enforcing and modification. I am just saying that it is not impossible. It really isn't that far of a stretch of the imagination...especially in a game with magic and gods of crafting and gnomes that can make life-like clockwork dire lions. As to using the fiddle/shortbow combo I do agree with that, just see no reason to limit a players ability to have fun.
Bopple 03-26-07, 10:11 PM	Is a crossbow-fiddle really wierder than a dire flail or a gnome hooked hammer? I don't think so.
Cartigan 03-26-07, 10:19 PM	Is a crossbow-fiddle really wierder than a dire flail or a gnome hooked hammer? I don't think so. Weirdness and feasibility are a bit different, which no one is taking into account.
Bopple 03-26-07, 10:32 PM	Then please explain it to me how a dire flail or a gnome hooked hammer is feasible, without hurting the wielder.