Do werebears need Imp. Unarmed Strike for Improved Grapple? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Do werebears need Imp. Unarmed Strike for Improved Grapple? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Waltermandias
11-03-07, 06:51 PM Just like the title says, if I am playing a werebear, do I need to take Improved Unarmed Strike as a prerequisite for Improved Grapple, or does having natural attacks qualify?
Count Arioch the 28th
11-03-07, 07:02 PM I would rule that you would need to take improved unarmed strike to get improved grapple.

Keep in mind though, if you're in hybrid or bear form, you get improved grab, so not provoking an attack of opportunity isn't an issue for you in 2/3 of your forms.

Although the improved grapple gives you +4 to grapple checks, since that's a huge bonus I'd make you take the improved unarmed strike feat beforehand.
jaelis
11-03-07, 07:21 PM I rule that Improved Grab lets you qualify for Improved Grapple, but not just any natural weapon. There's a couple monsters in the MM that seem to work that way anyway.
runestar
11-03-07, 09:05 PM Note that there are a few monsters in MM which have improved grapple feat, even though they lack the IUS feat.

Barbed devil is one of them. That is all I can recall at the moment.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Waltermandias 11-03-07, 06:51 PM	Just like the title says, if I am playing a werebear, do I need to take Improved Unarmed Strike as a prerequisite for Improved Grapple, or does having natural attacks qualify?
Count Arioch the 28th 11-03-07, 07:02 PM	I would rule that you would need to take improved unarmed strike to get improved grapple. Keep in mind though, if you're in hybrid or bear form, you get improved grab, so not provoking an attack of opportunity isn't an issue for you in 2/3 of your forms. Although the improved grapple gives you +4 to grapple checks, since that's a huge bonus I'd make you take the improved unarmed strike feat beforehand.
jaelis 11-03-07, 07:21 PM	I rule that Improved Grab lets you qualify for Improved Grapple, but not just any natural weapon. There's a couple monsters in the MM that seem to work that way anyway.
runestar 11-03-07, 09:05 PM	Note that there are a few monsters in MM which have improved grapple feat, even though they lack the IUS feat. Barbed devil is one of them. That is all I can recall at the moment.