Eldritch Glaive and feats Question [Archive] - Wizards Community

Eldritch Glaive and feats Question [Archive] - Wizards Community

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nighttree
07-26-07, 11:25 AM Can the following feats be used in conjunction with Eldritch Glaive ?

Combat Reflexes (gain up to Dex mod in AoO's)

Canny Opportunist (threatened opponent provokes AoO's for additional actions)

Deft Opportunist (+4 to attack roll with AoO's)
tarkin
07-26-07, 01:41 PM What book is Eldritch Glaive from?
Artector
07-26-07, 01:54 PM What book is Eldritch Glaive from?

Dragon Magic.

From the little I know of it, yes they do apply, but seeing as I don't have the book, this is all the help I am.

PS: Could have sworn it was in Complete Mage. Whatever...
tarkin
07-26-07, 02:24 PM Actually I think I found it in the book "Dragon Magic". It is not in Complete Mage.

I believe that yes, all those feats you mentioned do work with it, because it counts as a melee weapon that threatens.
Thane26425
07-26-07, 02:58 PM It is Dragon Magic. Found this list of all the invocations at this link.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/lists/invocations
nighttree
07-26-07, 08:39 PM Kool....that help with the "melee" feel for my lock :D
ThePope
07-30-07, 04:31 PM yes you definitely can apply feats that affect your ability to take AoOs... the invocation description specifically states that you threaten til your next turn after using it...

my question however would be whether you can use Short Haft with it... can i shorten my grip on a weapon of arcane energy?
Oliver D'Argent
08-03-07, 09:52 PM While I agree that feats affecting your ability to make attacks of opportunity would work with Eldritch Glaive, I don't think you could apply a feat intended for a physical weapon to a spell-like effect that happens to act like a weapon.
StruckingFuggle
08-04-07, 03:41 PM While I agree that feats affecting your ability to make attacks of opportunity would work with Eldritch Glaive, I don't think you could apply a feat intended for a physical weapon to a spell-like effect that happens to act like a weapon.

In this case, well why not?

Oh, and small correction for the OP:
Combat Reflexes (gain up to Dex mod in AoO's)

Should be dex mod extra AoOs. Also, "up to" is a weird way to phrase it. o.o Still, you can take up to your dex mod plus one AoOs a round, instead of "up to just your dex mod" - and don't forget it lets you make AoOs while you're flat-footed, too.
Oliver D'Argent
08-04-07, 10:08 PM In this case, well why not?

It isn't really a physical weapon - it is just a bundle of arcane energy that acts similarly to one.

You can't add your Strength bonus to the damage caused by it, it can't be sundered, it can't be knocked out of your grasp by a disarm attempt, you can't put it down or hand it to someone else.

When you use it, you are not using an attack or full attack action, you are using a full-round action.

The attack of opportunity feats are alright because they affect the character and the character's ability to make attacks of opportunity (and the description of the invocation does specifically state that you can use it to make attacks of opportunity), but it doesn't seem appropriate to me to use a feat that affects your ability to use a physical weapon on a spell-like effect.
StruckingFuggle
08-05-07, 01:55 AM To me, at least, you still ... it appears in your hands and you hold it, instead of it just hovering around you, right? ... ergo, you could "choke up" on what you're holding, by holding it closer to the 'blade', no?
spamfiltre
08-05-07, 12:37 PM FWIW, the description of the invocation specifically states that your eldritch blast takes on "physical form". This would indicate that it behaves like any physical weapon. You should be able to use short haft, set it to receive a charge, etc.
Vloorshad
08-05-07, 01:34 PM FWIW, the description of the invocation specifically states that your eldritch blast takes on "physical form". This would indicate that it behaves like any physical weapon. You should be able to use short haft, set it to receive a charge, etc.

A better question would be: Do you have to choke up on it at all to damage adjacent opponents?

It's raw arcane energy given form for a round, but why does it have to be limited in what parts of it deal damage to a foe like a regular glaive?
Oliver D'Argent
08-05-07, 02:27 PM If you could set it down, hand it to another character, or have it knocked out of your grasp, I'd say "Sure, change your grip on it if you have the Short Haft feat," but while the invocation description says it is "similar to a glaive," it doesn't actually say that the manifestation HAS a haft - it could just be a blade of eldritch energy floating at a set distance away from the character.

To me, the "physical substance" simply means that it is a visible effect that lasts until the beginning of your next round - if it were an actual physical object, it would have to hit full AC rather than just touch AC and be subject to sundering and disarming.

You folks can, of course, play it however you want in your games (or however you can convice your DMs to let you play it) - but it won't work in my game.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
nighttree 07-26-07, 11:25 AM	Can the following feats be used in conjunction with Eldritch Glaive ? Combat Reflexes (gain up to Dex mod in AoO's) Canny Opportunist (threatened opponent provokes AoO's for additional actions) Deft Opportunist (+4 to attack roll with AoO's)
tarkin 07-26-07, 01:41 PM	What book is Eldritch Glaive from?
Artector 07-26-07, 01:54 PM	What book is Eldritch Glaive from? Dragon Magic. From the little I know of it, yes they do apply, but seeing as I don't have the book, this is all the help I am. PS: Could have sworn it was in Complete Mage. Whatever...
tarkin 07-26-07, 02:24 PM	Actually I think I found it in the book "Dragon Magic". It is not in Complete Mage. I believe that yes, all those feats you mentioned do work with it, because it counts as a melee weapon that threatens.
Thane26425 07-26-07, 02:58 PM	It is Dragon Magic. Found this list of all the invocations at this link. http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/lists/invocations
nighttree 07-26-07, 08:39 PM	Kool....that help with the "melee" feel for my lock :D
ThePope 07-30-07, 04:31 PM	yes you definitely can apply feats that affect your ability to take AoOs... the invocation description specifically states that you threaten til your next turn after using it... my question however would be whether you can use Short Haft with it... can i shorten my grip on a weapon of arcane energy?
Oliver D'Argent 08-03-07, 09:52 PM	While I agree that feats affecting your ability to make attacks of opportunity would work with Eldritch Glaive, I don't think you could apply a feat intended for a physical weapon to a spell-like effect that happens to act like a weapon.
StruckingFuggle 08-04-07, 03:41 PM	While I agree that feats affecting your ability to make attacks of opportunity would work with Eldritch Glaive, I don't think you could apply a feat intended for a physical weapon to a spell-like effect that happens to act like a weapon. In this case, well why not? Oh, and small correction for the OP: Combat Reflexes (gain up to Dex mod in AoO's) Should be dex mod extra AoOs. Also, "up to" is a weird way to phrase it. o.o Still, you can take up to your dex mod plus one AoOs a round, instead of "up to just your dex mod" - and don't forget it lets you make AoOs while you're flat-footed, too.
Oliver D'Argent 08-04-07, 10:08 PM	In this case, well why not? It isn't really a physical weapon - it is just a bundle of arcane energy that acts similarly to one. You can't add your Strength bonus to the damage caused by it, it can't be sundered, it can't be knocked out of your grasp by a disarm attempt, you can't put it down or hand it to someone else. When you use it, you are not using an attack or full attack action, you are using a full-round action. The attack of opportunity feats are alright because they affect the character and the character's ability to make attacks of opportunity (and the description of the invocation does specifically state that you can use it to make attacks of opportunity), but it doesn't seem appropriate to me to use a feat that affects your ability to use a physical weapon on a spell-like effect.
StruckingFuggle 08-05-07, 01:55 AM	To me, at least, you still ... it appears in your hands and you hold it, instead of it just hovering around you, right? ... ergo, you could "choke up" on what you're holding, by holding it closer to the 'blade', no?
spamfiltre 08-05-07, 12:37 PM	FWIW, the description of the invocation specifically states that your eldritch blast takes on "physical form". This would indicate that it behaves like any physical weapon. You should be able to use short haft, set it to receive a charge, etc.
Vloorshad 08-05-07, 01:34 PM	FWIW, the description of the invocation specifically states that your eldritch blast takes on "physical form". This would indicate that it behaves like any physical weapon. You should be able to use short haft, set it to receive a charge, etc. A better question would be: Do you have to choke up on it at all to damage adjacent opponents? It's raw arcane energy given form for a round, but why does it have to be limited in what parts of it deal damage to a foe like a regular glaive?
Oliver D'Argent 08-05-07, 02:27 PM	If you could set it down, hand it to another character, or have it knocked out of your grasp, I'd say "Sure, change your grip on it if you have the Short Haft feat," but while the invocation description says it is "similar to a glaive," it doesn't actually say that the manifestation HAS a haft - it could just be a blade of eldritch energy floating at a set distance away from the character. To me, the "physical substance" simply means that it is a visible effect that lasts until the beginning of your next round - if it were an actual physical object, it would have to hit full AC rather than just touch AC and be subject to sundering and disarming. You folks can, of course, play it however you want in your games (or however you can convice your DMs to let you play it) - but it won't work in my game.