Evasion class feature and non-Reflex saves for AoE spells and powers [Archive] - Wizards Community

Evasion class feature and non-Reflex saves for AoE spells and powers [Archive] - Wizards Community

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redarius
09-22-07, 01:53 PM I'm certain this has been asked, but time to ask again.

Say you have a kineticist in your party, and they're using energy ball or any of the other energy area attack powers that offer the option to choose energy type. They're using the cold energy type (+1 dmg per die), and requires a fort save to avoid the damage.

Does the Evasion class feature apply?

It specifies "If subjected to an attack that allows a Reflex save for half damage, a character with evasion takes no damage on a successful save." in the RAW, but a lot of the stuff in the PHB doesn't consider the eleventy-billion supplements that have followed.

Has Evasion been errata'd to included area spells that allow a save for half damage, or is it specific to reflex save only?

Thanks.
InkBlot
09-22-07, 02:20 PM A cold energy ball doesn't allow a Reflex save for half damage, so evasion doesn't apply.
redarius
09-22-07, 02:44 PM So psions can kill rogues and monks (and other evasion-bearing classes) in short order, and that's not imba?

I suppose it's balanced for the psion class in how they have to pay to increase the power of their effects.
dman11235
09-22-07, 03:57 PM Yes, and so can wizards/druid/etc. AoE are not the only types of spells/powers. By the time you get to the level that the evasion people will be garunteed success, you're better off using save or dies.

Also, there's mettle. It's better than evasion. If you make a save for some lesser effect on fort or will, the lesser effect doesn't happen.
EvilVegan
09-22-07, 04:04 PM So psions can kill rogues and monks (and other evasion-bearing classes) in short order, and that's not imba?

I suppose it's balanced for the psion class in how they have to pay to increase the power of their effects.
Of course it's imbalanced. All psionics is horribly imbalanced. :P

Jk. Yes, they can affect rogues with area affecting spells. I fail to see how this imbalances them? There are plenty of AoE spells with fort/will saves.
Tyler Do'Urden
09-22-07, 04:11 PM They're using the cold energy type (+1 dmg per die), and requires a fort save to avoid the damage.

Does the Evasion class feature apply?No. Dip into hexblade to get mettle.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
redarius 09-22-07, 01:53 PM	I'm certain this has been asked, but time to ask again. Say you have a kineticist in your party, and they're using energy ball or any of the other energy area attack powers that offer the option to choose energy type. They're using the cold energy type (+1 dmg per die), and requires a fort save to avoid the damage. Does the Evasion class feature apply? It specifies "If subjected to an attack that allows a Reflex save for half damage, a character with evasion takes no damage on a successful save." in the RAW, but a lot of the stuff in the PHB doesn't consider the eleventy-billion supplements that have followed. Has Evasion been errata'd to included area spells that allow a save for half damage, or is it specific to reflex save only? Thanks.
InkBlot 09-22-07, 02:20 PM	A cold energy ball doesn't allow a Reflex save for half damage, so evasion doesn't apply.
redarius 09-22-07, 02:44 PM	So psions can kill rogues and monks (and other evasion-bearing classes) in short order, and that's not imba? I suppose it's balanced for the psion class in how they have to pay to increase the power of their effects.
dman11235 09-22-07, 03:57 PM	Yes, and so can wizards/druid/etc. AoE are not the only types of spells/powers. By the time you get to the level that the evasion people will be garunteed success, you're better off using save or dies. Also, there's mettle. It's better than evasion. If you make a save for some lesser effect on fort or will, the lesser effect doesn't happen.
EvilVegan 09-22-07, 04:04 PM	So psions can kill rogues and monks (and other evasion-bearing classes) in short order, and that's not imba? I suppose it's balanced for the psion class in how they have to pay to increase the power of their effects. Of course it's imbalanced. All psionics is horribly imbalanced. :P Jk. Yes, they can affect rogues with area affecting spells. I fail to see how this imbalances them? There are plenty of AoE spells with fort/will saves.
Tyler Do'Urden 09-22-07, 04:11 PM	They're using the cold energy type (+1 dmg per die), and requires a fort save to avoid the damage. Does the Evasion class feature apply?No. Dip into hexblade to get mettle.