Feat that allows dex instead of Str? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Feat that allows dex instead of Str? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Fenrir_Greyback
01-16-08, 03:23 PM Hey, I know wep finesse lets you apply dex to attack rolls, but is there anything that lets you do the same for damage?
dman11235
01-16-08, 03:26 PM Shadow Blade from ToB. Class features. Maybe another thing. Check the X stat to Y bonus thread linked in my sig.
Selgard
01-16-08, 03:28 PM In short: Yes.

and may i direct you to

http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=978585

where it's currently being discussed? :)

(the feat is "Shadow Blade" from ToB)
Legdiwena
01-16-08, 07:47 PM I don't have ToB with me. Is this a hard feat to qualify for?
BugHunter
01-16-08, 08:08 PM No, you just need to have a shadow hand stance. Using shadow blade it applies only to the weapons in the discipline.
Legdiwena
01-16-08, 08:10 PM So it woukd be cumbersome for a monk to qualify for it?
rjsilverthorn
01-16-08, 08:21 PM So it woukd be cumbersome for a monk to qualify for it?

Well one of the Shadow Hand weapons is unarmed strike so its not entirely unsuited for a monk. To qualify for the feat though you'd either have to take a level of Swordsage or you'd have to take the Martial Stance feat first.
CrimsonDeath
01-16-08, 08:37 PM Well one of the Shadow Hand weapons is unarmed strike so its not entirely unsuited for a monk. To qualify for the feat though you'd either have to take a level of Swordsage or you'd have to take the Martial Stance feat first.

And Martial Stance requires that you know a martial maneuver, so you'd need to take Martial Study too. So you're looking at two prerequisite feats if you don't dip a level of Swordsage.
Legdiwena
01-16-08, 08:38 PM And this is the only feat that gives Dex to damage, right?

The X to Y thread mentions a deadeye feat or something like that. I can't find it anywhere.
rjsilverthorn
01-16-08, 08:54 PM And Martial Stance requires that you know a martial maneuver, so you'd need to take Martial Study too. So you're looking at two prerequisite feats if you don't dip a level of Swordsage.

And Martial Stance requires that you know a martial maneuver, so you'd need to take Martial Study too. So you're looking at two prerequisite feats if you don't dip a level of Swordsage.

Yeah, that occured to be about two minutes after I posted. I knew there was a reason I decided against taking it with my monk. While certainly a nice benefit, I didn't think it was worth three feat and the ToB classes were still under consideration by our DM at that point.

The only Deadeye feat I can find is Deadeye shot in PHB2, which does not add Dex to damage. There could have been a different version in Dragon Magazine or a third party supplement, but Shadow Hand is the only 'official' feat I know of.
rjsilverthorn
01-16-08, 08:57 PM And Martial Stance requires that you know a martial maneuver, so you'd need to take Martial Study too. So you're looking at two prerequisite feats if you don't dip a level of Swordsage.

Yeah, that occured to be about two minutes after I posted. I knew there was a reason I decided against taking it with my monk. While certainly a nice benefit, I didn't think it was worth three feat and the ToB classes were still under consideration by our DM at that point.

The only Deadeye feat I can find is Deadeye shot in PHB2, which does not add Dex to damage. There could have been a different version in Dragon Magazine or a third party supplement, but Shadow Blade is the only 'official' feat I know of.
Eldritch_Lord
01-16-08, 09:03 PM Yeah, that occured to be about two minutes after I posted. I knew there was a reason I decided against taking it with my monk. While certainly a nice benefit, I didn't think it was worth three feat and the ToB classes were still under consideration by our DM at that point.

The only Deadeye feat I can find is Deadeye shot in PHB2, which does not add Dex to damage. There could have been a different version in Dragon Magazine or a third party supplement, but Shadow Blade is the only 'official' feat I know of.

I don't know of any other Deadeye feat; I couldn't find the one from the X to Y thread either. It might be 3.0 and outdated, or perhaps Dragon, but I don't hink I've seen it anywhere.
Legdiwena
01-16-08, 09:07 PM Is Dragon Magazine or Dragon Compendium OGL?

It says it's from Dragon issue 304 and p 95 of Dragon Compendium.
VulcanStormwrath
01-16-08, 09:42 PM I don't know of any other Deadeye feat; I couldn't find the one from the X to Y thread either. It might be 3.0 and outdated, or perhaps Dragon, but I don't hink I've seen it anywhere.

There's also Crossbow Sniper that adds 1/2 Dex
Eldritch_Lord
01-16-08, 10:00 PM There's also Crossbow Sniper that adds 1/2 Dex

That may be, but there's no "Deadeye" in the name, now is there? ;)
Eldritch_Lord
01-16-08, 10:01 PM Is Dragon Magazine or Dragon Compendium OGL?

It says it's from Dragon issue 304 and p 95 of Dragon Compendium.

Ah, that would explain why I haven't seen it--my fairly sparse Dragon collection includes neither that issue nor the Compendium.
Legdiwena
01-16-08, 10:06 PM My collection is a whole 3 issues that had things I liked.
rjsilverthorn
01-16-08, 10:13 PM My collection is a whole 3 issues that had things I liked.

I recently unloaded my collection, which was only missing a few issues from the years I'd collected. Gave them to a friend that had the shelf space I was lacking.

I'm not sure who even holds the rights for the Dragon content, whether it is Paizo or Wizards, but I don't think its under the OGL since I can't find any reference to it online.
dman11235
01-16-08, 11:33 PM It's not OGL.

Deadeye Dragon version is dex to damage with ranged though. And interesting tidbit for that other thread: it is precision based.
Johannixx
01-17-08, 12:38 AM I believe the Champion of Corellon Larethian PrC gets Dex to damage as well. I've always house-ruled that every class gets Weapon Finesse for free at 1st level, and wrote an Improved Weapon Finesse feat that allows Dex instead of Str for melee damage, but it's considered precision damage.
dman11235
01-17-08, 11:19 AM Well, that's a houserule. So it doesn't really apply. Also, there are other PrCs that get dex to damage. Well, okay, one other: Corsair at level 9.
Fenrir_Greyback
01-20-08, 02:53 PM Can you show me that improved wep finesse feat?
Zardnaar
01-21-08, 12:09 AM Can you show me that improved wep finesse feat?

I've posted an Improved Weapon Finesse feat. Heres a linky

http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=980589

Feel free to comment on it:)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Fenrir_Greyback 01-16-08, 03:23 PM	Hey, I know wep finesse lets you apply dex to attack rolls, but is there anything that lets you do the same for damage?
dman11235 01-16-08, 03:26 PM	Shadow Blade from ToB. Class features. Maybe another thing. Check the X stat to Y bonus thread linked in my sig.
Selgard 01-16-08, 03:28 PM	In short: Yes. and may i direct you to http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=978585 where it's currently being discussed? :) (the feat is "Shadow Blade" from ToB)
Legdiwena 01-16-08, 07:47 PM	I don't have ToB with me. Is this a hard feat to qualify for?
BugHunter 01-16-08, 08:08 PM	No, you just need to have a shadow hand stance. Using shadow blade it applies only to the weapons in the discipline.
Legdiwena 01-16-08, 08:10 PM	So it woukd be cumbersome for a monk to qualify for it?
rjsilverthorn 01-16-08, 08:21 PM	So it woukd be cumbersome for a monk to qualify for it? Well one of the Shadow Hand weapons is unarmed strike so its not entirely unsuited for a monk. To qualify for the feat though you'd either have to take a level of Swordsage or you'd have to take the Martial Stance feat first.
CrimsonDeath 01-16-08, 08:37 PM	Well one of the Shadow Hand weapons is unarmed strike so its not entirely unsuited for a monk. To qualify for the feat though you'd either have to take a level of Swordsage or you'd have to take the Martial Stance feat first. And Martial Stance requires that you know a martial maneuver, so you'd need to take Martial Study too. So you're looking at two prerequisite feats if you don't dip a level of Swordsage.
Legdiwena 01-16-08, 08:38 PM	And this is the only feat that gives Dex to damage, right? The X to Y thread mentions a deadeye feat or something like that. I can't find it anywhere.
rjsilverthorn 01-16-08, 08:54 PM	And Martial Stance requires that you know a martial maneuver, so you'd need to take Martial Study too. So you're looking at two prerequisite feats if you don't dip a level of Swordsage. And Martial Stance requires that you know a martial maneuver, so you'd need to take Martial Study too. So you're looking at two prerequisite feats if you don't dip a level of Swordsage. Yeah, that occured to be about two minutes after I posted. I knew there was a reason I decided against taking it with my monk. While certainly a nice benefit, I didn't think it was worth three feat and the ToB classes were still under consideration by our DM at that point. The only Deadeye feat I can find is Deadeye shot in PHB2, which does not add Dex to damage. There could have been a different version in Dragon Magazine or a third party supplement, but Shadow Hand is the only 'official' feat I know of.
rjsilverthorn 01-16-08, 08:57 PM	And Martial Stance requires that you know a martial maneuver, so you'd need to take Martial Study too. So you're looking at two prerequisite feats if you don't dip a level of Swordsage. Yeah, that occured to be about two minutes after I posted. I knew there was a reason I decided against taking it with my monk. While certainly a nice benefit, I didn't think it was worth three feat and the ToB classes were still under consideration by our DM at that point. The only Deadeye feat I can find is Deadeye shot in PHB2, which does not add Dex to damage. There could have been a different version in Dragon Magazine or a third party supplement, but Shadow Blade is the only 'official' feat I know of.
Eldritch_Lord 01-16-08, 09:03 PM	Yeah, that occured to be about two minutes after I posted. I knew there was a reason I decided against taking it with my monk. While certainly a nice benefit, I didn't think it was worth three feat and the ToB classes were still under consideration by our DM at that point. The only Deadeye feat I can find is Deadeye shot in PHB2, which does not add Dex to damage. There could have been a different version in Dragon Magazine or a third party supplement, but Shadow Blade is the only 'official' feat I know of. I don't know of any other Deadeye feat; I couldn't find the one from the X to Y thread either. It might be 3.0 and outdated, or perhaps Dragon, but I don't hink I've seen it anywhere.
Legdiwena 01-16-08, 09:07 PM	Is Dragon Magazine or Dragon Compendium OGL? It says it's from Dragon issue 304 and p 95 of Dragon Compendium.
VulcanStormwrath 01-16-08, 09:42 PM	I don't know of any other Deadeye feat; I couldn't find the one from the X to Y thread either. It might be 3.0 and outdated, or perhaps Dragon, but I don't hink I've seen it anywhere. There's also Crossbow Sniper that adds 1/2 Dex
Eldritch_Lord 01-16-08, 10:00 PM	There's also Crossbow Sniper that adds 1/2 Dex That may be, but there's no "Deadeye" in the name, now is there? ;)
Eldritch_Lord 01-16-08, 10:01 PM	Is Dragon Magazine or Dragon Compendium OGL? It says it's from Dragon issue 304 and p 95 of Dragon Compendium. Ah, that would explain why I haven't seen it--my fairly sparse Dragon collection includes neither that issue nor the Compendium.
Legdiwena 01-16-08, 10:06 PM	My collection is a whole 3 issues that had things I liked.
rjsilverthorn 01-16-08, 10:13 PM	My collection is a whole 3 issues that had things I liked. I recently unloaded my collection, which was only missing a few issues from the years I'd collected. Gave them to a friend that had the shelf space I was lacking. I'm not sure who even holds the rights for the Dragon content, whether it is Paizo or Wizards, but I don't think its under the OGL since I can't find any reference to it online.
dman11235 01-16-08, 11:33 PM	It's not OGL. Deadeye Dragon version is dex to damage with ranged though. And interesting tidbit for that other thread: it is precision based.
Johannixx 01-17-08, 12:38 AM	I believe the Champion of Corellon Larethian PrC gets Dex to damage as well. I've always house-ruled that every class gets Weapon Finesse for free at 1st level, and wrote an Improved Weapon Finesse feat that allows Dex instead of Str for melee damage, but it's considered precision damage.
dman11235 01-17-08, 11:19 AM	Well, that's a houserule. So it doesn't really apply. Also, there are other PrCs that get dex to damage. Well, okay, one other: Corsair at level 9.
Fenrir_Greyback 01-20-08, 02:53 PM	Can you show me that improved wep finesse feat?
Zardnaar 01-21-08, 12:09 AM	Can you show me that improved wep finesse feat? I've posted an Improved Weapon Finesse feat. Heres a linky http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=980589 Feel free to comment on it:)