Feats for the daggerwhip [Archive] - Wizards Community

Feats for the daggerwhip [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Hideous Phidias
06-18-07, 09:57 PM I need a little help, I need a feat for my spellthief character to get proficiency with the daggerwhip at first level. I know may of you are thinking exotic weapon proficiency but you need a +1 base attack bonus for it I don't get it until third with the build I want to go with. I would also love to hear about any other feats that go good with the whip or daggerwhip.
Kouk
06-18-07, 10:29 PM If you use the dagger whip from the Arms and Equipment Guide, you need Whip proficiency, which is an Exotic Weapon anyway.

I heard that it was reprinted in a Dragon Magazine, but I can't imagine it being anything less than an Exotic Weapon.

The only class (I know of) that starts with Whip proficiency for free is the Bard.
BroadStreetBully
06-19-07, 01:17 AM yeah, i'd ask your DM if you can hold off taking your level 1 feat until level 2. that way you can still use your weapon (albeit at the standard -4 for nonproficiency), and when you hit level 2 you'll have the +1 BAB for ex. weap. proficiency (daggerwhip).

DM's are generally decent people, he might even let you take the feat at level 1 if you ask him about it.
risner
06-19-07, 12:10 PM DM's are generally decent people, he might even let you take the feat at level 1 if you ask him about it.

Neither of your two suggests are RAW. Both are house rules.

The 3.5 whip dagger is a whip and uses all proficiencies, feats, and bonuses that apply to Whips.
RikuKupo
06-19-07, 12:31 PM I vaguely remember a rule that says that you can TAKE a feat even if you don't meet the requirements, but you can't USE it until you do. I think it was an ask wizards question about TWF and gloves of dex.
BroadStreetBully
06-19-07, 12:46 PM Neither of your two suggests are RAW. Both are house rules.

"rules as i interpret them?" I'm recommending this guy ask his DM about it, because last i checked, what the DM says goes.

granted, a good DM should have a solid grasp of the rules, make creative plots, have a good time, make it enjoyable for the players, and be fair.
Kouk
06-19-07, 01:23 PM I vaguely remember a rule that says that you can TAKE a feat even if you don't meet the requirements, but you can't USE it until you do. I think it was an ask wizards question about TWF and gloves of dex.

Yes, but when the requirement is a certain ability score, it is actually doable. The item can get you the proper stats and you can use the feat as long as you use that item (or another) which is keeping your stat at the minimum.

Exotic Weapon Proficiency requires BAB +1, which can't really be mimicked with an item.
jaelis
06-19-07, 01:30 PM I think there's a magical enhancement (skillful?) that makes the wielder automatically proficient. So then you just need to figure out a way to come up with 8000 gp :)
risner
06-19-07, 03:13 PM I think there's a magical enhancement (skillful?) that makes the wielder automatically proficient. So then you just need to figure out a way to come up with 8000 gp :)

That would be the balanced way to do it.
maskimus
06-19-07, 03:18 PM Take a level of Bard. They get proficiency with Whip, and thus Whip-Dagger.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Hideous Phidias 06-18-07, 09:57 PM	I need a little help, I need a feat for my spellthief character to get proficiency with the daggerwhip at first level. I know may of you are thinking exotic weapon proficiency but you need a +1 base attack bonus for it I don't get it until third with the build I want to go with. I would also love to hear about any other feats that go good with the whip or daggerwhip.
Kouk 06-18-07, 10:29 PM	If you use the dagger whip from the Arms and Equipment Guide, you need Whip proficiency, which is an Exotic Weapon anyway. I heard that it was reprinted in a Dragon Magazine, but I can't imagine it being anything less than an Exotic Weapon. The only class (I know of) that starts with Whip proficiency for free is the Bard.
BroadStreetBully 06-19-07, 01:17 AM	yeah, i'd ask your DM if you can hold off taking your level 1 feat until level 2. that way you can still use your weapon (albeit at the standard -4 for nonproficiency), and when you hit level 2 you'll have the +1 BAB for ex. weap. proficiency (daggerwhip). DM's are generally decent people, he might even let you take the feat at level 1 if you ask him about it.
risner 06-19-07, 12:10 PM	DM's are generally decent people, he might even let you take the feat at level 1 if you ask him about it. Neither of your two suggests are RAW. Both are house rules. The 3.5 whip dagger is a whip and uses all proficiencies, feats, and bonuses that apply to Whips.
RikuKupo 06-19-07, 12:31 PM	I vaguely remember a rule that says that you can TAKE a feat even if you don't meet the requirements, but you can't USE it until you do. I think it was an ask wizards question about TWF and gloves of dex.
BroadStreetBully 06-19-07, 12:46 PM	Neither of your two suggests are RAW. Both are house rules. "rules as i interpret them?" I'm recommending this guy ask his DM about it, because last i checked, what the DM says goes. granted, a good DM should have a solid grasp of the rules, make creative plots, have a good time, make it enjoyable for the players, and be fair.
Kouk 06-19-07, 01:23 PM	I vaguely remember a rule that says that you can TAKE a feat even if you don't meet the requirements, but you can't USE it until you do. I think it was an ask wizards question about TWF and gloves of dex. Yes, but when the requirement is a certain ability score, it is actually doable. The item can get you the proper stats and you can use the feat as long as you use that item (or another) which is keeping your stat at the minimum. Exotic Weapon Proficiency requires BAB +1, which can't really be mimicked with an item.
jaelis 06-19-07, 01:30 PM	I think there's a magical enhancement (skillful?) that makes the wielder automatically proficient. So then you just need to figure out a way to come up with 8000 gp :)
risner 06-19-07, 03:13 PM	I think there's a magical enhancement (skillful?) that makes the wielder automatically proficient. So then you just need to figure out a way to come up with 8000 gp :) That would be the balanced way to do it.
maskimus 06-19-07, 03:18 PM	Take a level of Bard. They get proficiency with Whip, and thus Whip-Dagger.