Fiery Fist worth a 2 Feat dip? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Fiery Fist worth a 2 Feat dip? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Orenmir
08-24-07, 01:29 PM I'm building a Monk/PsyWar Grappler. There are plenty of powers the PsyWar has to boost my grapple check. Now, I'm trying to think of ways to improve my unarmed strike damage during a grapple.

As a grappler, I wouldn't think of wasting a feat on Stunning Fist. But, it might be worth it to gain Fiery Fist. Then I could deal an extra 1d6 to all my unarmed strike damage for an entire round per usages of Stunning Fist.

For a grappler, is this worth the 2 feat dip? I would probably also go for Extra Stunning so I could use it more often (there's another feat burn). Are there better feats I should be looking at?

The PsyWar class will allow me extra feats; but then again, I might do better with some psionic feats.

Other feats that I'm trying to squeeze in at low levels:
Earth's Embrace
Combat Manifester
Practiced Manifester
Improved Disarm (monk 6th - not really low level)

Thanks for the help.
Orenmir
08-24-07, 04:56 PM I guess I should move this to CharOp.
Eerongal
08-24-07, 05:08 PM improved natural attack from the monster manual increases your die size as if you were 1 step larger than you are.

And Superior unarmed strike from tome of battle. Both of those will increase your unarmed strike considerably, and they stack with each other. And it's base damage, so its for all unarmed attacks
Sephiroth Do'Urden
08-24-07, 05:33 PM If you are a monk, you don't have to get stunning fist.
Kurama Youko
08-24-07, 05:34 PM i think in the book dragon magic there was a better equiventlant to fiery fist. If you have the book or happen by a book store check it out, im 90% sure it wouldn't cost as much and would grant you better gains.
Eerongal
08-24-07, 05:43 PM If you are a monk, you don't have to get stunning fist.

he does if he took improved grapple instead at level 1, which i'm assuming he did since he said he was a grappler
GSonic7
08-24-07, 08:59 PM If you're allowed to use Flaws, then you could take one or two to offset the dip (depending on the prereqs of the prereqs).
Sephiroth Do'Urden
08-24-07, 09:53 PM he does if he took improved grapple instead at level 1, which i'm assuming he did since he said he was a grappler

You should by improved grapple later. The Monks stunning fist gives you more uses per day than the feat counterpart.
dman11235
08-24-07, 11:35 PM The feat says that a monk gets 1/monk level, it's not a monk special thing. The monk just lets them take it at an earlier level.
Nephlite
08-24-07, 11:45 PM The feat says that a monk gets 1/monk level, it's not a monk special thing. The monk just lets them take it at an earlier level.

Yeah, if you do'nt take it you are behnd in getting for a while as the BAB requirement is huge for a Monk.
jaelis
08-25-07, 03:13 AM I think stunning fist is a pretty decent feat anyway, so you do get a decent benefit from both feats. (Sometimes dealing more damage is better, sometimes stunning is better.)

I also agree that if you do it, the way to go is to take SF as your monk bonus and Imp Grapple as a regular feat.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Orenmir 08-24-07, 01:29 PM	I'm building a Monk/PsyWar Grappler. There are plenty of powers the PsyWar has to boost my grapple check. Now, I'm trying to think of ways to improve my unarmed strike damage during a grapple. As a grappler, I wouldn't think of wasting a feat on Stunning Fist. But, it might be worth it to gain Fiery Fist. Then I could deal an extra 1d6 to all my unarmed strike damage for an entire round per usages of Stunning Fist. For a grappler, is this worth the 2 feat dip? I would probably also go for Extra Stunning so I could use it more often (there's another feat burn). Are there better feats I should be looking at? The PsyWar class will allow me extra feats; but then again, I might do better with some psionic feats. Other feats that I'm trying to squeeze in at low levels: Earth's Embrace Combat Manifester Practiced Manifester Improved Disarm (monk 6th - not really low level) Thanks for the help.
Orenmir 08-24-07, 04:56 PM	I guess I should move this to CharOp.
Eerongal 08-24-07, 05:08 PM	improved natural attack from the monster manual increases your die size as if you were 1 step larger than you are. And Superior unarmed strike from tome of battle. Both of those will increase your unarmed strike considerably, and they stack with each other. And it's base damage, so its for all unarmed attacks
Sephiroth Do'Urden 08-24-07, 05:33 PM	If you are a monk, you don't have to get stunning fist.
Kurama Youko 08-24-07, 05:34 PM	i think in the book dragon magic there was a better equiventlant to fiery fist. If you have the book or happen by a book store check it out, im 90% sure it wouldn't cost as much and would grant you better gains.
Eerongal 08-24-07, 05:43 PM	If you are a monk, you don't have to get stunning fist. he does if he took improved grapple instead at level 1, which i'm assuming he did since he said he was a grappler
GSonic7 08-24-07, 08:59 PM	If you're allowed to use Flaws, then you could take one or two to offset the dip (depending on the prereqs of the prereqs).
Sephiroth Do'Urden 08-24-07, 09:53 PM	he does if he took improved grapple instead at level 1, which i'm assuming he did since he said he was a grappler You should by improved grapple later. The Monks stunning fist gives you more uses per day than the feat counterpart.
dman11235 08-24-07, 11:35 PM	The feat says that a monk gets 1/monk level, it's not a monk special thing. The monk just lets them take it at an earlier level.
Nephlite 08-24-07, 11:45 PM	The feat says that a monk gets 1/monk level, it's not a monk special thing. The monk just lets them take it at an earlier level. Yeah, if you do'nt take it you are behnd in getting for a while as the BAB requirement is huge for a Monk.
jaelis 08-25-07, 03:13 AM	I think stunning fist is a pretty decent feat anyway, so you do get a decent benefit from both feats. (Sometimes dealing more damage is better, sometimes stunning is better.) I also agree that if you do it, the way to go is to take SF as your monk bonus and Imp Grapple as a regular feat.