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Majick
06-08-07, 01:04 PM Is it possible to exchange actual melee attacks for touch attacks instead? i mean, could a monk with 15/15/15/10/5 make all those as touch attacks if he wished?

Disregard damage, just, could he make the touching? :D
Salla
06-08-07, 01:07 PM By the RAW, no ...

but I suppose if he's just counting coup, as it were, I'd probably allow it. It would likely depend on why.
Majick
06-08-07, 01:16 PM Book of Exalted Deeds: Touch of the Golden Ice :D

all touch attacks baby

yes, no?
tarkin
06-08-07, 02:55 PM I see zero raw reason why he can not do that.

He is not using a forbidden weapon, he is not encumbered, etc. etc.
Millennium
06-08-07, 03:02 PM Book of Exalted Deeds: Touch of the Golden Ice :D

all touch attacks baby

yes, no?
...as you wade into a horde of zombies and give a whole new meaning to the title "Touch the Dead."
Tsuul
06-08-07, 03:12 PM I flurry tickle fight.
nightside_samurai
06-08-07, 10:58 PM But it takes a Standard to cast 1 regular spell. After the first touch it would dissipate right? Unless it's a spell that gives 1 touch/level type thing. But I don't know the spell in question so maybe I'll shush now :D
KurenaiYami
06-09-07, 12:10 AM But it takes a Standard to cast 1 regular spell. After the first touch it would dissipate right? Unless it's a spell that gives 1 touch/level type thing. But I don't know the spell in question so maybe I'll shush now :D

It's not a spell at all, it's a feat.
runestar
06-09-07, 12:13 AM It is not a bad combo with chill touch, especially against foes with high ACs.:)
risner
06-09-07, 01:02 AM Is it possible to exchange actual melee attacks for touch attacks instead? i mean, could a monk with 15/15/15/10/5 make all those as touch attacks if he wished?

No.

Now I am curious how you thought you could do melee touch attacks for damage?

Now if you just want to give them the DC 14 Golden Ice, a touch will do it but you would deal no damage.
strenoth
06-09-07, 01:39 AM He didn't say anything about damage, he wants to make a full flurry of touches, purely to inflict the 'by touch' effect

So yes, he can do that. I'm getting Fist of the North Star flashbacks, but that may not be a bad thing. :-D
Chimaera2000
06-09-07, 01:51 PM I see no real reason why this trick shouldn't work. I don't think it's a terribly effective strategy, though. Even with the Ability Focus (Touch of Golden Ice) feat, everyone and their freakin' dog will make a DC 15 Fortitude save at high levels except on a natural one. Some feats and abilities even take the natural one out of the equation!
G_Mancer
06-10-07, 12:12 AM is it just me or dont all unarmed touch attacks provoke unless you threaten ( naturalattack/unarmed strike/charged spell

so i guess you would... since you threaten......

i mean, if i didn't pull that out of thin air.. really, i dunno where i got that, but i've been workign it that way for the longest time now, and no one around me has disagreed....
Kouk
06-10-07, 01:01 AM Don't forget that in order to Trip you make a touch attack, and you can flurry those (hopefully you have Improved Trip though).

I don't know the touch of golden ice, but if it is a touch attack like a spell you should still count as armed.

If you have a spell with multiple charges like the aforementioned Chill Touch grants, you can flurry those as touch attacks I would think.
pupilofyah
06-19-07, 08:20 AM yes you can, it does not provoke (unless you are doing a trip, grapple, etc. with out the improved feat), spell charges are used after the first hit/touch, golden ice works everytime(which makes for loads of fun and an annoyed DM who rolls several saves and probably make most them), and most of the time it is point less.
Ogg
06-19-07, 09:45 AM Check out the Complete Arcana if you have it. They go into when you can use special abilities in conjuction with things like touch attacks.

Going from Memory so anyone with a book on them feel free to correct me:
Usually if your using a combat ability like Flurry of Blows your attacks are treated as regular attacks instead of touch attacks, if you chose to make touch attacks instead you can but you can't use your combat ability with them. Either way you'd still deliver the Golden Ice it's just an option of how you want to deliver it. In a non-touch flurry of blows with damage or in a touch attack non-flurry form.
Vegepygmy
06-19-07, 11:41 AM Is it possible to exchange actual melee attacks for touch attacks instead? i mean, could a monk with 15/15/15/10/5 make all those as touch attacks if he wished?Sure. He could just use all of his attacks to attempt to start a grapple (which is a touch attack).

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Majick 06-08-07, 01:04 PM	Is it possible to exchange actual melee attacks for touch attacks instead? i mean, could a monk with 15/15/15/10/5 make all those as touch attacks if he wished? Disregard damage, just, could he make the touching? :D
Salla 06-08-07, 01:07 PM	By the RAW, no ... but I suppose if he's just counting coup, as it were, I'd probably allow it. It would likely depend on why.
Majick 06-08-07, 01:16 PM	Book of Exalted Deeds: Touch of the Golden Ice :D all touch attacks baby yes, no?
tarkin 06-08-07, 02:55 PM	I see zero raw reason why he can not do that. He is not using a forbidden weapon, he is not encumbered, etc. etc.
Millennium 06-08-07, 03:02 PM	Book of Exalted Deeds: Touch of the Golden Ice :D all touch attacks baby yes, no? ...as you wade into a horde of zombies and give a whole new meaning to the title "Touch the Dead."
Tsuul 06-08-07, 03:12 PM	I flurry tickle fight.
nightside_samurai 06-08-07, 10:58 PM	But it takes a Standard to cast 1 regular spell. After the first touch it would dissipate right? Unless it's a spell that gives 1 touch/level type thing. But I don't know the spell in question so maybe I'll shush now :D
KurenaiYami 06-09-07, 12:10 AM	But it takes a Standard to cast 1 regular spell. After the first touch it would dissipate right? Unless it's a spell that gives 1 touch/level type thing. But I don't know the spell in question so maybe I'll shush now :D It's not a spell at all, it's a feat.
runestar 06-09-07, 12:13 AM	It is not a bad combo with chill touch, especially against foes with high ACs.:)
risner 06-09-07, 01:02 AM	Is it possible to exchange actual melee attacks for touch attacks instead? i mean, could a monk with 15/15/15/10/5 make all those as touch attacks if he wished? No. Now I am curious how you thought you could do melee touch attacks for damage? Now if you just want to give them the DC 14 Golden Ice, a touch will do it but you would deal no damage.
strenoth 06-09-07, 01:39 AM	He didn't say anything about damage, he wants to make a full flurry of touches, purely to inflict the 'by touch' effect So yes, he can do that. I'm getting Fist of the North Star flashbacks, but that may not be a bad thing. :-D
Chimaera2000 06-09-07, 01:51 PM	I see no real reason why this trick shouldn't work. I don't think it's a terribly effective strategy, though. Even with the Ability Focus (Touch of Golden Ice) feat, everyone and their freakin' dog will make a DC 15 Fortitude save at high levels except on a natural one. Some feats and abilities even take the natural one out of the equation!
G_Mancer 06-10-07, 12:12 AM	is it just me or dont all unarmed touch attacks provoke unless you threaten ( naturalattack/unarmed strike/charged spell so i guess you would... since you threaten...... i mean, if i didn't pull that out of thin air.. really, i dunno where i got that, but i've been workign it that way for the longest time now, and no one around me has disagreed....
Kouk 06-10-07, 01:01 AM	Don't forget that in order to Trip you make a touch attack, and you can flurry those (hopefully you have Improved Trip though). I don't know the touch of golden ice, but if it is a touch attack like a spell you should still count as armed. If you have a spell with multiple charges like the aforementioned Chill Touch grants, you can flurry those as touch attacks I would think.
pupilofyah 06-19-07, 08:20 AM	yes you can, it does not provoke (unless you are doing a trip, grapple, etc. with out the improved feat), spell charges are used after the first hit/touch, golden ice works everytime(which makes for loads of fun and an annoyed DM who rolls several saves and probably make most them), and most of the time it is point less.
Ogg 06-19-07, 09:45 AM	Check out the Complete Arcana if you have it. They go into when you can use special abilities in conjuction with things like touch attacks. Going from Memory so anyone with a book on them feel free to correct me: Usually if your using a combat ability like Flurry of Blows your attacks are treated as regular attacks instead of touch attacks, if you chose to make touch attacks instead you can but you can't use your combat ability with them. Either way you'd still deliver the Golden Ice it's just an option of how you want to deliver it. In a non-touch flurry of blows with damage or in a touch attack non-flurry form.
Vegepygmy 06-19-07, 11:41 AM	Is it possible to exchange actual melee attacks for touch attacks instead? i mean, could a monk with 15/15/15/10/5 make all those as touch attacks if he wished?Sure. He could just use all of his attacks to attempt to start a grapple (which is a touch attack).