Fortitude "evasion" [Archive] - Wizards Community

Fortitude "evasion" [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Wharin
04-23-07, 06:30 PM Alright, so I don't know why I was thinking this, 'cause I don't really need it, but it crept into my head that there is an at least semi-official feat (or maybe its a class feature, I dunno) thats essentially "Evasion" but for fortitude instead of reflex saves. Am I crazy? Does this exist?

I am aware that there is Will save "evasion"a class feature of the Armored Mind called Mettle of Will, but i could have sworn there was a Fortitude one as well.
Slobad_the_rogue
04-23-07, 06:36 PM Mettle applies to fort and will I believe...
Izzak
04-23-07, 06:37 PM I recall a class ability called Mettle that is both a will and a fort "evasion" Im not sure and my books are not with me. But i recall the hexblade has it.
unusualsuspect
04-23-07, 06:37 PM Generally, the class feature (No feat grants this, as far as I know) is called Mettle or some derivation thereof - normally, this class feature affects both fortitude and will saves as if under an evasion mechanic.

Examples: Arcane Mettle - Hexblades get this, I believe. This class ability only affects spells and spell-like abilities, if memory serves.

Edit: I was mistaken! Hexblades get the full-on Mettle class ability. It's their "Arcane Resistance" that only works in spells and spell-like abilities.

Mettle - Pious Templar is the first class that comes to mind, though others might as well. This simply applies to all applicable saves, spell or no.
Wharin
04-23-07, 06:43 PM thanks guys... so it turns out i am not fully crazy, after all.
FreAkOuTRG
04-23-07, 06:58 PM Goliath Barbarian gets it too.

Edit: I think I misremembered it, might be the Goliath Rogue.
Evil DM Mk3
04-23-07, 07:03 PM Please note that mettle is not really "fort evasion". Evasion ignores relfex half. Mettle applies on partials. Evasion is of no use on partial effects.
Metafictional
04-23-07, 07:04 PM Which makes Mettle "Fort/Will IMPROVED Evasion".
Evil DM Mk3
04-23-07, 07:07 PM Kinda, but still no. Improved evasion is no use against Reflex partial.
Jaxgaret
04-23-07, 07:27 PM Which makes Mettle "Fort/Will IMPROVED Evasion".

No, because Improved Evasion reduces damage to half on failed saving throws. Mettle only has an effect on passed saving throws - that of negating the Partial effect of a spell.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Wharin 04-23-07, 06:30 PM	Alright, so I don't know why I was thinking this, 'cause I don't really need it, but it crept into my head that there is an at least semi-official feat (or maybe its a class feature, I dunno) thats essentially "Evasion" but for fortitude instead of reflex saves. Am I crazy? Does this exist? I am aware that there is Will save "evasion"a class feature of the Armored Mind called Mettle of Will, but i could have sworn there was a Fortitude one as well.
Slobad_the_rogue 04-23-07, 06:36 PM	Mettle applies to fort and will I believe...
Izzak 04-23-07, 06:37 PM	I recall a class ability called Mettle that is both a will and a fort "evasion" Im not sure and my books are not with me. But i recall the hexblade has it.
unusualsuspect 04-23-07, 06:37 PM	Generally, the class feature (No feat grants this, as far as I know) is called Mettle or some derivation thereof - normally, this class feature affects both fortitude and will saves as if under an evasion mechanic. Examples: Arcane Mettle - Hexblades get this, I believe. This class ability only affects spells and spell-like abilities, if memory serves. Edit: I was mistaken! Hexblades get the full-on Mettle class ability. It's their "Arcane Resistance" that only works in spells and spell-like abilities. Mettle - Pious Templar is the first class that comes to mind, though others might as well. This simply applies to all applicable saves, spell or no.
Wharin 04-23-07, 06:43 PM	thanks guys... so it turns out i am not fully crazy, after all.
FreAkOuTRG 04-23-07, 06:58 PM	Goliath Barbarian gets it too. Edit: I think I misremembered it, might be the Goliath Rogue.
Evil DM Mk3 04-23-07, 07:03 PM	Please note that mettle is not really "fort evasion". Evasion ignores relfex half. Mettle applies on partials. Evasion is of no use on partial effects.
Metafictional 04-23-07, 07:04 PM	Which makes Mettle "Fort/Will IMPROVED Evasion".
Evil DM Mk3 04-23-07, 07:07 PM	Kinda, but still no. Improved evasion is no use against Reflex partial.
Jaxgaret 04-23-07, 07:27 PM	Which makes Mettle "Fort/Will IMPROVED Evasion". No, because Improved Evasion reduces damage to half on failed saving throws. Mettle only has an effect on passed saving throws - that of negating the Partial effect of a spell.