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Fullblade Help [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Mark_Aged
08-31-07, 08:20 PM Does a Fullblade count as a Large weapon? Or just a really big Medium weapon? And how does having Monkey Grip effect a Fullblade?
Mark_Aged
09-02-07, 08:53 AM Bump.
KriegsaffeNo9
09-02-07, 11:00 AM In 3.5? I think I'd count it as an abnormally large Medium weapon that wouldn't look out of place in a Large creature's hands. Otherwise you'd get the 3.0 Colossal greatswordsman problem, only with a fullblade (being that a two-handed weapon was a size category larger than the wielder in 3.0, a colossal creature couldn't ever wield a proper greatsword).
Terric
09-03-07, 12:00 AM Does a Fullblade count as a Large weapon? Or just a really big Medium weapon? And how does having Monkey Grip effect a Fullblade? Mmm... I'm not sure. I know from what I read out of the book it's in (I don't own it, so I can't say I'm accurate), they're known as Ogre Greatswords. Because an ogre who took proficiency feats could wield it two-handed. That, however, is not very 3.5-ish. I can't say if I'm even resaying it right.

In 3.5 ruling, it techincally would indeed be, as has been stated, an overly large medium weapon. Because a large greatsword (as it could be implied to be) does 3d6 damage, not 2d8. Having Monkey Grip should not effect your wielding of the weapon, since it's techincally not a large weapon.
pres_man
09-03-07, 03:23 AM Option 1: Big Bastard
The fullblade is a large sized (3.5 size rules) bastard sword.

Option 2: Mega blade
The fullblade is a special exotic weapon, you might call it a 2 1/2 hand sword much like how the bastard sword is considered a 1 1/2 hand sword.
Spikes01k
09-03-07, 10:17 AM There is a exotic weapon in the frost burn book that does 2D8 Damage, check it out. However you will not be happy with the critical range it has.
wonlee76
09-03-07, 12:43 PM Depends on which version of Fullblade you're looking at.

Errata'd Sword & Fist version: Medium sized character can't wield it because its too big but the Monkey Grip feat would allow a medium sized creature to wield it as a two handed martial weapon.

Arms & Equipment Guide: Burn an exotic weapon proficiency to wield it as a two handed weapon.

The only difference between the two versions would be "how" a medium sized creature would end up wielding the fullblade. One results in a -2 penalty to hit. The other doesn't.

Personally, I just get rid of the fullblade and treat it as a large sized bastard sword under 3.5 rules but that's just me.
Mark_Aged
09-03-07, 02:24 PM I think I'm using the Sword and Fist one: A fullblade is 18 inches longer than a greatsword, and is too large for a Medium-size creature to use with two hands without special training; thus, it is an exotic weapon. (Medium-size creatures cannot use a fullblade one-handed at all.) A Large-size creature could use the fullblade with one hand, but would be assessed the standard -4 nonproficiency penalty to its attack rolls, or with two hands as a martial weapon. A Large-size creature with the Exotic Weapon Proficiency feat could use the fullblade in one hand, but a Medium-size creature must use both hands even with the feat. A fullblade is also called an ogre's greatsword.

I found it online, so I don't know for sure.
wonlee76
09-03-07, 03:00 PM That's the un-errata'd version of fullblade in S&F.

p. 72, Fullblade. Replace text with: Fullblade: A fullblade is18 inches longer than a greatsword, and is too large for a Medium-size creature to use at all. A Large creature could use the fullblade with one hand, but would suffer the standard –4 nonproficiency penalty to its attack rolls, or with two hands as a martial weapon. A Large creature with the Exotics Weapon proficiency could use the fullblade in one hand with no penalty. A fullblade is also called an ogre’s greatsword.

Oddly enough, the only reason I even knew about the errata was I had a later printing of S&F which had the errata language put in. Me and player had a dispute on whether full blade was useable or not and I had to check the front copyright/print version to figure out which one of us had the later version.

If you're curious about timeline...

S&F Fullblade came out first. Last errata for S&F came out a few months before Arms & Equipment Guide came out. Arms & Equipment Guide had the un-errata'd version of Fullblade (which in my opinion is bizarre seeing as they went through the trouble to errata it in S&F but whatever...).
pres_man
09-03-07, 08:32 PM Here are some discussions for gaming groups to consider with the fullblade.

1. Fullblade a unique two-handed exotic weapon that can only be wielded with the appropriate EWP feat. A larger creature can wield it as a martial weapon.
a. FAQ is wrong with respect to special weapons like the bastard sword and waraxe.
Pro: Being a unique weapon exotic weapon, with the feat it can be wielded without penalty. If a person takes the monkey grip they could wield a larger version at a -2 penalty.
Con: Requires a new item, also using the weight in the older texts this is much heavier than a large bastard sword. The EWP for this weapon does not apply to the use of bastard swords.

b. FAQ is right with respect to special weapons like the bastard sword and waraxe.
Pro: Being a unique weapon exotic weapon, with the feat it can be wielded without penalty.
Con: Requires a new item, also using the weight in the older texts this is much heavier than a large bastard sword. The EWP for this weapon does not apply to the use of bastard swords. A larger size version can not be wielded at all with monkey grip.

2. The full-blade is actually a larger size bastard sword.
a. FAQ is wrong with respect to special weapons like the bastard sword and waraxe.
Pro: EWP(Bastard Sword) allows you to wield a larger sized weapon at a -2 penalty (as 2-handed exotic). Monkey grip would also allow you to wield a larger sized weapon at a -2 (as 2-handed martial). EWP(BS) plus Monkey grip would allow you wield a larger sized weapon at a -2 penalty and use it one-handed (as 1-handed exotic).
Con: No matter how you wield it, EWP or Monkey Grip, you have to take a -2 penalty. Often times it is better if using it 2-handed to use a greatsword and power attack.

b. FAQ is right with respect to special weapons like the bastard sword and waraxe.
Pro: Monkey Grip allows you wield it 2-handed (as a martial weapon).
Con: To wield it, you have to take -2 penalty. EWP (BS) does not help you wield it at all, and you can not wield a larger sized version in one hand in any fashion.

Now me personally I would be ok with either 1a or 2a, I think the FAQ is full of crude with respect to bastard swords and such.
Mark_Aged
09-04-07, 08:40 AM Okay, thanks for the help, I'll pick the one that sounds the best from that list.
risner
09-04-07, 10:03 AM Does a Fullblade count as a Large weapon? Or just a really big Medium weapon? And how does having Monkey Grip effect a Fullblade?

It is Large.
It is never Medium.
risner
09-04-07, 10:11 AM I think I'm using the Sword and Fist one:

You don't really have a choice.
S&F was 2001, S&F errata was 12/2001, A&EG was 2003.

So your only option is to use the A&EG one and try to dream up balanced translations to 3.5 edition from it.

Either way, if you are Medium, you can't combine Monkey Grip with a Fullblade since the FB is already Large.
RobbyPants
09-04-07, 10:14 AM Does a Fullblade count as a Large weapon? Or just a really big Medium weapon? And how does having Monkey Grip effect a Fullblade?
Here is a thread (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=913405) I created last week on a simlar topic. The idea was to find a "trend" in how weapons progressed from martial to exotic, and then to basically come up with a few exotic two-hand weapons that merely improved the damage of their martial counterparts. The mechanics work differently from the 3.0 fullblade, but the idea is to increase the damage of a greatsword from 2d6 to 2d8, keep the crit the same, and call it a medium two-handed exotic weapon.

It removes the clunky 3.0 size mechanic. I also extrapolated a bit for an exotic greataxe and scythe. This would all be house-rules, but it might have what you want.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Mark_Aged 08-31-07, 08:20 PM	Does a Fullblade count as a Large weapon? Or just a really big Medium weapon? And how does having Monkey Grip effect a Fullblade?
Mark_Aged 09-02-07, 08:53 AM	Bump.
KriegsaffeNo9 09-02-07, 11:00 AM	In 3.5? I think I'd count it as an abnormally large Medium weapon that wouldn't look out of place in a Large creature's hands. Otherwise you'd get the 3.0 Colossal greatswordsman problem, only with a fullblade (being that a two-handed weapon was a size category larger than the wielder in 3.0, a colossal creature couldn't ever wield a proper greatsword).
Terric 09-03-07, 12:00 AM	Does a Fullblade count as a Large weapon? Or just a really big Medium weapon? And how does having Monkey Grip effect a Fullblade? Mmm... I'm not sure. I know from what I read out of the book it's in (I don't own it, so I can't say I'm accurate), they're known as Ogre Greatswords. Because an ogre who took proficiency feats could wield it two-handed. That, however, is not very 3.5-ish. I can't say if I'm even resaying it right. In 3.5 ruling, it techincally would indeed be, as has been stated, an overly large medium weapon. Because a large greatsword (as it could be implied to be) does 3d6 damage, not 2d8. Having Monkey Grip should not effect your wielding of the weapon, since it's techincally not a large weapon.
pres_man 09-03-07, 03:23 AM	Option 1: Big Bastard The fullblade is a large sized (3.5 size rules) bastard sword. Option 2: Mega blade The fullblade is a special exotic weapon, you might call it a 2 1/2 hand sword much like how the bastard sword is considered a 1 1/2 hand sword.
Spikes01k 09-03-07, 10:17 AM	There is a exotic weapon in the frost burn book that does 2D8 Damage, check it out. However you will not be happy with the critical range it has.
wonlee76 09-03-07, 12:43 PM	Depends on which version of Fullblade you're looking at. Errata'd Sword & Fist version: Medium sized character can't wield it because its too big but the Monkey Grip feat would allow a medium sized creature to wield it as a two handed martial weapon. Arms & Equipment Guide: Burn an exotic weapon proficiency to wield it as a two handed weapon. The only difference between the two versions would be "how" a medium sized creature would end up wielding the fullblade. One results in a -2 penalty to hit. The other doesn't. Personally, I just get rid of the fullblade and treat it as a large sized bastard sword under 3.5 rules but that's just me.
Mark_Aged 09-03-07, 02:24 PM	I think I'm using the Sword and Fist one: A fullblade is 18 inches longer than a greatsword, and is too large for a Medium-size creature to use with two hands without special training; thus, it is an exotic weapon. (Medium-size creatures cannot use a fullblade one-handed at all.) A Large-size creature could use the fullblade with one hand, but would be assessed the standard -4 nonproficiency penalty to its attack rolls, or with two hands as a martial weapon. A Large-size creature with the Exotic Weapon Proficiency feat could use the fullblade in one hand, but a Medium-size creature must use both hands even with the feat. A fullblade is also called an ogre's greatsword. I found it online, so I don't know for sure.
wonlee76 09-03-07, 03:00 PM	That's the un-errata'd version of fullblade in S&F. p. 72, Fullblade. Replace text with: Fullblade: A fullblade is18 inches longer than a greatsword, and is too large for a Medium-size creature to use at all. A Large creature could use the fullblade with one hand, but would suffer the standard –4 nonproficiency penalty to its attack rolls, or with two hands as a martial weapon. A Large creature with the Exotics Weapon proficiency could use the fullblade in one hand with no penalty. A fullblade is also called an ogre’s greatsword. Oddly enough, the only reason I even knew about the errata was I had a later printing of S&F which had the errata language put in. Me and player had a dispute on whether full blade was useable or not and I had to check the front copyright/print version to figure out which one of us had the later version. If you're curious about timeline... S&F Fullblade came out first. Last errata for S&F came out a few months before Arms & Equipment Guide came out. Arms & Equipment Guide had the un-errata'd version of Fullblade (which in my opinion is bizarre seeing as they went through the trouble to errata it in S&F but whatever...).
pres_man 09-03-07, 08:32 PM	Here are some discussions for gaming groups to consider with the fullblade. 1. Fullblade a unique two-handed exotic weapon that can only be wielded with the appropriate EWP feat. A larger creature can wield it as a martial weapon. a. FAQ is wrong with respect to special weapons like the bastard sword and waraxe. Pro: Being a unique weapon exotic weapon, with the feat it can be wielded without penalty. If a person takes the monkey grip they could wield a larger version at a -2 penalty. Con: Requires a new item, also using the weight in the older texts this is much heavier than a large bastard sword. The EWP for this weapon does not apply to the use of bastard swords. b. FAQ is right with respect to special weapons like the bastard sword and waraxe. Pro: Being a unique weapon exotic weapon, with the feat it can be wielded without penalty. Con: Requires a new item, also using the weight in the older texts this is much heavier than a large bastard sword. The EWP for this weapon does not apply to the use of bastard swords. A larger size version can not be wielded at all with monkey grip. 2. The full-blade is actually a larger size bastard sword. a. FAQ is wrong with respect to special weapons like the bastard sword and waraxe. Pro: EWP(Bastard Sword) allows you to wield a larger sized weapon at a -2 penalty (as 2-handed exotic). Monkey grip would also allow you to wield a larger sized weapon at a -2 (as 2-handed martial). EWP(BS) plus Monkey grip would allow you wield a larger sized weapon at a -2 penalty and use it one-handed (as 1-handed exotic). Con: No matter how you wield it, EWP or Monkey Grip, you have to take a -2 penalty. Often times it is better if using it 2-handed to use a greatsword and power attack. b. FAQ is right with respect to special weapons like the bastard sword and waraxe. Pro: Monkey Grip allows you wield it 2-handed (as a martial weapon). Con: To wield it, you have to take -2 penalty. EWP (BS) does not help you wield it at all, and you can not wield a larger sized version in one hand in any fashion. Now me personally I would be ok with either 1a or 2a, I think the FAQ is full of crude with respect to bastard swords and such.
Mark_Aged 09-04-07, 08:40 AM	Okay, thanks for the help, I'll pick the one that sounds the best from that list.
risner 09-04-07, 10:03 AM	Does a Fullblade count as a Large weapon? Or just a really big Medium weapon? And how does having Monkey Grip effect a Fullblade? It is Large. It is never Medium.
risner 09-04-07, 10:11 AM	I think I'm using the Sword and Fist one: You don't really have a choice. S&F was 2001, S&F errata was 12/2001, A&EG was 2003. So your only option is to use the A&EG one and try to dream up balanced translations to 3.5 edition from it. Either way, if you are Medium, you can't combine Monkey Grip with a Fullblade since the FB is already Large.
RobbyPants 09-04-07, 10:14 AM	Does a Fullblade count as a Large weapon? Or just a really big Medium weapon? And how does having Monkey Grip effect a Fullblade? Here is a thread (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=913405) I created last week on a simlar topic. The idea was to find a "trend" in how weapons progressed from martial to exotic, and then to basically come up with a few exotic two-hand weapons that merely improved the damage of their martial counterparts. The mechanics work differently from the 3.0 fullblade, but the idea is to increase the damage of a greatsword from 2d6 to 2d8, keep the crit the same, and call it a medium two-handed exotic weapon. It removes the clunky 3.0 size mechanic. I also extrapolated a bit for an exotic greataxe and scythe. This would all be house-rules, but it might have what you want.