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Legomojo 06-05-07, 07:12 PM	For some reason, except for taking Expert as a class, I know there is a way to gain a skill as if it were a class skill, and I think it is through a feat. Any idea what that feat is? (And just for clairification of what i mean...) Say I am a 7th lvl fighter, and only a fighter, and I want tumble as a skill to be maxed out at 10, and not the usual 5 for a CC skill. Is there a feat or something that allows me to be able to take those 5 points?
Mr_Teapot 06-05-07, 07:50 PM	Depends on what skill(s) you want. In the Tome of Battle, the Martial Study feat adds certain specicifc skills to your class skills for your character's career. I don't think Tumble is one, though. Beyond that, multiclassing raises the skill ranks permanently to character level + 3, though you'd be paying double for every level the skill is a cross class skill. The Able Learner feat can negate the two for one cost, though. In Unearted Arcana (optional material, so get your DM's approval), you can take a feat to gain a skill as a class skill, or take the Human Paragon to permanently make one skill a class skill.
Legomojo 06-05-07, 08:26 PM	Unearth Arcana you say? What are the prereqs for these two feats, may I inquire?
Mr_Teapot 06-06-07, 07:41 AM	Unearth Arcana you say? What are the prereqs for these two feats, may I inquire? There aren't any Prereqs for Skill Knowledge (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/buildingCharacters/alternativeSkillSystems.htm#skillKnowled ge). Human Paragon (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/racialParagonClasses.htm#humanParagon) only requires being human (but it's a class, not a feat). Martial Study - your most official route - has no prereqs but is limited to only skills that are key skills for one of the ToB schools of maneuvers. If you take Martial Study, you also get a combat maneuver useable once per encounter (the primary benefit).
Peregrine_Wolf 06-06-07, 08:29 AM	Desert Wind has Tumble as its key skill. So that would work.
CrazyOzzy 06-06-07, 08:45 AM	Doesn't the feat Able Learner grant all skills as class skills for Humans? I came across this feat yesterday and if it works like this it is extremely overpowered. Can anyone confirm, infirm?
Pentagram 06-06-07, 09:03 AM	Doesn't the feat Able Learner grant all skills as class skills for Humans? I came across this feat yesterday and if it works like this it is extremely overpowered. Can anyone confirm, infirm? You can buy skill ranks in any skill for just 1 skill point per rank (except for Speak Language) but if it is a cross-class skill you're still limited to a maximum of (level+3)/2 ranks. So, a Fighter level 5 can buy a maximum of 4 ranks in Tumble, as usual, but it only costs him/her 4 skill points, rather than 8.
foxtail 06-06-07, 09:05 AM	Doesn't the feat Able Learner grant all skills as class skills for Humans? I came across this feat yesterday and if it works like this it is extremely overpowered. Can anyone confirm, infirm? Able Learner doesn't make all skills class skills; it merely reduces the cost of cross-class skill ranks to 1 skill point. You still have to abide by the (3+character level)/2 limit on cross-class skill ranks. Of course, if you take Able Learner, then multiclass with something that has a ton of class skills, such as rogue or factotum, you might as well call them class skills for all your classes, since the limit doesn't apply anymore. Edit: Damn, Pentagram beat me to it.
CrazyOzzy 06-06-07, 09:22 AM	Thanks for the answers :)
Legomojo 06-07-07, 09:45 AM	Thank you evry one!