Great Cleave + AoO [Archive] - Wizards Community

Great Cleave + AoO [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
loganic1
03-10-08, 07:14 PM Do they stack?
Do I get a 5 ft step?

Clarification: If I get a kill with an AoO, Can I cleave with that, and do I get my 5 ft step?
Master_Vega
03-10-08, 07:38 PM I don't recall anything that says you can't cleave off an Attack of Opportunity, or that it deprives you of your five-foot step.

But...

I know that Supreme Cleave is the only way to get a five-foot step between cleaves. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure you take your five-foot-step before your original attack, or after your cleave, not between.
BugHunter
03-10-08, 07:59 PM Do they stack?
Do I get a 5 ft step?

Clarification: If I get a kill with an AoO, Can I cleave with that, and do I get my 5 ft step?

You can cleave or great cleave off of the AoO. Since it is an AoO there is no 5 ft step allowed since it is not your initiative turn.
Spikes01k
03-10-08, 08:26 PM You can cleave or great cleave off of the AoO. Since it is an AoO there is no 5 ft step allowed since it is not your initiative turn.

2nd

If you drop on an AoO then you can cleave into the next, and then great cleave if you drop that and the next ones.
jaelis
03-10-08, 10:03 PM This has sometimes been a topic of contention. As written the cleave ability would seem to apply to AoOs, but it can lead to abuses (or at least seemingly unfair situations) where a character with combat reflexes could set up a large number of AoOs on weak mooks and get multiple cleaves into the main enemy. (Like by dropping a bag of rats and cleaving off the AoOs as they run away.)

My personal favorite way to handle it is to say that if you have cleave and drop someone with an AoO, you get your AoO back, as if you hadn't used it. So if someone else provokes an AoO that turn, you can effectively "cleave" into them.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
loganic1 03-10-08, 07:14 PM	Do they stack? Do I get a 5 ft step? Clarification: If I get a kill with an AoO, Can I cleave with that, and do I get my 5 ft step?
Master_Vega 03-10-08, 07:38 PM	I don't recall anything that says you can't cleave off an Attack of Opportunity, or that it deprives you of your five-foot step. But... I know that Supreme Cleave is the only way to get a five-foot step between cleaves. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure you take your five-foot-step before your original attack, or after your cleave, not between.
BugHunter 03-10-08, 07:59 PM	Do they stack? Do I get a 5 ft step? Clarification: If I get a kill with an AoO, Can I cleave with that, and do I get my 5 ft step? You can cleave or great cleave off of the AoO. Since it is an AoO there is no 5 ft step allowed since it is not your initiative turn.
Spikes01k 03-10-08, 08:26 PM	You can cleave or great cleave off of the AoO. Since it is an AoO there is no 5 ft step allowed since it is not your initiative turn. 2nd If you drop on an AoO then you can cleave into the next, and then great cleave if you drop that and the next ones.
jaelis 03-10-08, 10:03 PM	This has sometimes been a topic of contention. As written the cleave ability would seem to apply to AoOs, but it can lead to abuses (or at least seemingly unfair situations) where a character with combat reflexes could set up a large number of AoOs on weak mooks and get multiple cleaves into the main enemy. (Like by dropping a bag of rats and cleaving off the AoOs as they run away.) My personal favorite way to handle it is to say that if you have cleave and drop someone with an AoO, you get your AoO back, as if you hadn't used it. So if someone else provokes an AoO that turn, you can effectively "cleave" into them.