Greater unarmed strike? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Greater unarmed strike? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
middlewilliam
04-21-07, 12:38 PM do you guys know whether anyone has made a greater unarmed strike feat?:confused: :confused:
middlewilliam
04-21-07, 12:39 PM because a greater unarmed strike would be a cool :cool: feat if it made the way i'm thimking.
Krusk
04-21-07, 12:50 PM superior unarmed strike is from TOB, what are you thinking for greater unarmed strike?
middlewilliam
04-21-07, 12:54 PM superior unarmed strike is from TOB, what are you thinking for greater unarmed strike?

TOB isn't that tomb of battle?:confused:

then if superior unarmed strike is the thing i'm thinking of then just ignore this thread from now on.
Frugal
04-21-07, 02:23 PM Well, without knowing what you're thinking that's hard to do.

Superior unarmed strike gives non-monks an unarmed strike damage progression (not as good as a monk's but better than nothing) and for monks it increases your effective monk level for determining the damage you deal (which makes it good at low levels and useless at higher levels since it doesn't progress past 20th level).
Krusk
04-21-07, 04:42 PM TOB is Tomb of Battle the Book of Nine Swords.

The feat makes unarmed non monk characters worthwhile if they don't want to specialize in grapples.
Egres
04-21-07, 07:51 PM TOB isn't that tomb of battle?

TOB is Tomb of Battle the Book of Nine Swords.

Tome of Battle.

Tomb of Battle is about martial undead.
Krusk
04-21-07, 11:46 PM Whatever, he got the idea. Grammer police are really unneccessary.

tome*
Roxlimn
04-22-07, 01:13 PM There's also Improved Natural Attack from the Monster Manual.
Dheran
04-22-07, 06:23 PM There's also Improved Natural Attack from the Monster Manual. It isn't clear that a non-monk can apply this to their unarmed strikes.

However, you can make Improved Natural Attack apply to unarmed strikes with magic, and save yourself a couple of feats as well. The Fanged Ring (from Dragon Magic) grants these feats:
Improved Unarmed Strike
Improved Natural Attack (unarmed strike)
Silverthumb128
04-23-07, 01:20 AM There was a Greater Unarmed Strike in a Mongoose book, I think it was Quintessential Monk(whatever number it was). It did the same as Improved Natural Attack.
Argo
04-23-07, 02:36 PM Whatever, he got the idea. Grammer police are really unneccessary.

Grammar. :)
Tectorman
04-23-07, 02:47 PM It isn't clear that a non-monk can apply this to their unarmed strikes.

However, you can make Improved Natural Attack apply to unarmed strikes with magic, and save yourself a couple of feats as well. The Fanged Ring (from Dragon Magic) grants these feats:
Improved Unarmed Strike
Improved Natural Attack (unarmed strike)

Personally, the way I see it is this: Improved Natural Attack can be applied to a Monk's unarmed strike, which is the most damaging unarmed strike in the game. Only allowing INA for a Monk is like saying "the rich get richer". The Monk's unarmed strike is already better than anyone else's, but only letting it qualify for a feat to make it even better is just plain mean.

Now, in terms of what the OP might have been thinking of, I must note this: a 20th level Monk does 2d10 damage and never gets any better. Size differences can adjust this value, INA can adjust this value, but the base damage never goes up. There is one ability that does this; unfortunately, it's a divine salient ability (i.e., for deities only). The whole thing makes your base damage 2d12 and you get slashing-type damage and the vorpal and keen qualities to your unarmed strike. Maybe you can bump off the rest and just keep the 2d12, but I'd still keep it a post-epic level ability.
SpoonyBard
04-23-07, 06:17 PM Tome of Battle.

Tomb of Battle is about martial undead.

...I want that book now...

Curse you and making things up from hilarious typos!
Krusk
04-23-07, 07:30 PM Grammar. :)

Man im amazing, that one was funny :) .
Egres
04-24-07, 03:19 AM Man im amazing, that one was funny :) .

You meant "I'm amazing".:D
KurenaiYami
04-24-07, 03:37 AM You meant "I'm amazing".:D

Oh lord, it just keeps going!
Magon
04-24-07, 10:15 AM Shhh. durasel could sue you for saying that
PhantomTrain
04-24-07, 11:24 AM Whatever, he got the idea. Grammer police are really unneccessary.

tome*

The actual correction was to your spelling, not your grammar.

Also, there's only one 'c' in 'unnecessary'.
Krusk
04-24-07, 11:35 AM *shakes head* I give up. :weep:
middlewilliam
04-24-07, 02:40 PM i just looked up superior unarmed strike and it is was what i was thinking in the design of my feat. :(

so i don't get to finish making this feat. :( :( :( :weep: :( :( :(
middlewilliam
04-24-07, 02:45 PM and this post has really gotten off topic.

and besides its the internet, spelling isn't really that important unless your an english teacher or a spelling freak! :rolleyes:
Dheran
04-25-07, 08:08 PM and besides its the internet, spelling isn't really that important unless your an english teacher or a spelling freak! You probably meanAnd besides, it's the Internet; spelling isn't really that important unless you're an English teacher or a spelling freak! Thank you for pointing out how very important spelling, punctuation, capitalization, and grammar are to a medium which affords neither face-to-face communication nor nuances of vocal inflection.

To actually contribute something on-topic, I'll point out that a Dragon adventure introduced a rule allowing you to Emulate a Specific Individual when activating a magic item with a DC 40 Use Magic Device check. If you emulated a particular monk of level 15+ when activating a Monk's Belt, you'd get their level 20 maximum unarmed damage (2d10 for medium monks).
KurenaiYami
04-25-07, 08:40 PM Thank you for pointing out how very important spelling, punctuation, capitalization, and grammar are to a medium which afords neither face-to-face communication nor nuances of vocal inflection.

You mean affords?

I love this thread. I really, really do.
Jaime_Wolf
04-25-07, 08:50 PM And besides, it's the Internet; spelling isn't really that important unless you're an English teacher or a spelling freak!

Personally I'd have gone with a period rather than a semicolon, but that's likely just my distaste for that particular punctuation mark speaking (errr, typing).
Dheran
04-26-07, 03:34 PM You mean affords? Yes, I surely do. Thank you for pointing out my error.
middlewilliam
04-28-07, 12:04 PM this thread is really getting wierd.

And don't correct my spelling. freek.
Tectorman
04-28-07, 08:40 PM this thread is really getting wierd.

And don't correct my spelling. freek.

Sorry, dude, but I couldn't resist. It's not spelled "freek", it's spelled "freik".l
middlewilliam
04-28-07, 10:50 PM Sorry, dude, but I couldn't resist. It's not spelled "freek", it's spelled "freik".l

thats okat this can get fun though
liquidhypnotic
05-02-07, 01:56 AM I think the day I'll give up on being a grammar and spelling policeman will be the day that people no longer get made fun of for sounding foreign or having funny accents.

I love it when people pretend not to know the difference between (1) honest typos, (2) the understandable difficulty experienced by the foreign-born, and (3) inability to spell or punctuate correctly when there's really no good excuse, and the petty JOY with which typos are pointed out when committed by those trying to correct others. We all of us apologize; I suppose you hold your ignorance very precious.
http://www.xkcd.com/c169.html <- vaguely related, all hilarious

I'll never understand why. I decided to get educated and it took a book and a few hours. I mean seriously, if you could just grunt and point and get your point across, would you? Is being part of a species with developed languages really all that onerous?

Semi-colons aren't all that bad; just use them between things that could stand as complete sentences (independent clauses, if you will), but that could use a connection that's stronger than the one between normal sentences. Like in my last sentence.

http://www.grammarpolice.org/
*****
Qualifying relevant material: Does Superior Unarmed Strike have a pre-req of IUS? I'd bet it does. Drives me nuts. I'm going to submitting a custom feat under PEACH pretty soon, but basically what it would do is allow anyone to make unarmed attacks that deal as much damage with an unarmed strike as a monk whose level equals your BAB, but also still incur AoOs. Furthermore, this wouldn't count as IUS in terms of qualifying for anything. Then, I'd hand it out to all (or maybe some) classes with full BAB progression. I'm toying with the idea of calling it a proficiency, actually.

It just BUGS me that a 20th level fighter who wakes up in the middle of the night, surrounded by goblins, is completely helpless. An unarmed Near-Epic Regdar in his draws and wifebeater can't knock out a goblin in one hit? Please.

Please hold criticism for now; put it in the appropriate place. When I post, I will link here.
Krusk
05-02-07, 02:09 PM The thing about grammar police on the internet is that the only one who benifits from it are the police themselves. If I don't feel like spending the time to proofread something and what I type is comprehensible who really cares if I forget a comma? More importantly, if someone cares, does it really benifit anyone to say "You forgot a comma, here is how you should have said it...". All that does is take up form space and increase your post count. The guy who dosn't care about his grammar isn't going to change. All it does is prove you know how to proofread. A skill most people learn in fourth grade, it is assumed the general population can do it, there is no need to "help them out" by pointing out errors.

If you really feel a need to correct grammar on the internet, for some reason, it would probably be best done through PM. That way both you and the person who made the mistake understand and you don't waste everyone else's time.
Egres
05-02-07, 07:05 PM what I type is comprehensible who really cares if I forget a comma?
What you write isn't always comprehensible, especially for foreigners like me.

It's a matter of respect.
Argo
05-02-07, 07:57 PM Leaving out a comma can completely change the meaning of your sentence.
Example: "I hate her baby," versus "I hate her, baby."
The comma changes everything.
In the first sentence, I can not abide her offspring.
In the second, I can not abide her, but I really like you.

Misspelling a word can completely change the meaning of your sentence.
Example: "The party is going to be fighting a White Dragon next session," versus "The party is going to be fighting a Wight Dragon next session."
In the first sentence, you're going to do battle against a Chromatic Dragon that breathes ice. In the second, you'll be fighting a horrible undead Dragon that eats your life-force.

So, it isn't unnecessary or time-wasting. Purposely not proofing your post before you put it up is both unnecessary and time-wasting.

You could check it yourself, you just choose not to. Instead, you waste our time trying to decipher your garbled message.

Sure, most of the time we can puzzle it out.
But why make us work for it?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
middlewilliam 04-21-07, 12:38 PM	do you guys know whether anyone has made a greater unarmed strike feat?:confused: :confused:
middlewilliam 04-21-07, 12:39 PM	because a greater unarmed strike would be a cool :cool: feat if it made the way i'm thimking.
Krusk 04-21-07, 12:50 PM	superior unarmed strike is from TOB, what are you thinking for greater unarmed strike?
middlewilliam 04-21-07, 12:54 PM	superior unarmed strike is from TOB, what are you thinking for greater unarmed strike? TOB isn't that tomb of battle?:confused: then if superior unarmed strike is the thing i'm thinking of then just ignore this thread from now on.
Frugal 04-21-07, 02:23 PM	Well, without knowing what you're thinking that's hard to do. Superior unarmed strike gives non-monks an unarmed strike damage progression (not as good as a monk's but better than nothing) and for monks it increases your effective monk level for determining the damage you deal (which makes it good at low levels and useless at higher levels since it doesn't progress past 20th level).
Krusk 04-21-07, 04:42 PM	TOB is Tomb of Battle the Book of Nine Swords. The feat makes unarmed non monk characters worthwhile if they don't want to specialize in grapples.
Egres 04-21-07, 07:51 PM	TOB isn't that tomb of battle? TOB is Tomb of Battle the Book of Nine Swords. Tome of Battle. Tomb of Battle is about martial undead.
Krusk 04-21-07, 11:46 PM	Whatever, he got the idea. Grammer police are really unneccessary. tome*
Roxlimn 04-22-07, 01:13 PM	There's also Improved Natural Attack from the Monster Manual.
Dheran 04-22-07, 06:23 PM	There's also Improved Natural Attack from the Monster Manual. It isn't clear that a non-monk can apply this to their unarmed strikes. However, you can make Improved Natural Attack apply to unarmed strikes with magic, and save yourself a couple of feats as well. The Fanged Ring (from Dragon Magic) grants these feats: Improved Unarmed Strike Improved Natural Attack (unarmed strike)
Silverthumb128 04-23-07, 01:20 AM	There was a Greater Unarmed Strike in a Mongoose book, I think it was Quintessential Monk(whatever number it was). It did the same as Improved Natural Attack.
Argo 04-23-07, 02:36 PM	Whatever, he got the idea. Grammer police are really unneccessary. Grammar. :)
Tectorman 04-23-07, 02:47 PM	It isn't clear that a non-monk can apply this to their unarmed strikes. However, you can make Improved Natural Attack apply to unarmed strikes with magic, and save yourself a couple of feats as well. The Fanged Ring (from Dragon Magic) grants these feats: Improved Unarmed Strike Improved Natural Attack (unarmed strike) Personally, the way I see it is this: Improved Natural Attack can be applied to a Monk's unarmed strike, which is the most damaging unarmed strike in the game. Only allowing INA for a Monk is like saying "the rich get richer". The Monk's unarmed strike is already better than anyone else's, but only letting it qualify for a feat to make it even better is just plain mean. Now, in terms of what the OP might have been thinking of, I must note this: a 20th level Monk does 2d10 damage and never gets any better. Size differences can adjust this value, INA can adjust this value, but the base damage never goes up. There is one ability that does this; unfortunately, it's a divine salient ability (i.e., for deities only). The whole thing makes your base damage 2d12 and you get slashing-type damage and the vorpal and keen qualities to your unarmed strike. Maybe you can bump off the rest and just keep the 2d12, but I'd still keep it a post-epic level ability.
SpoonyBard 04-23-07, 06:17 PM	Tome of Battle. Tomb of Battle is about martial undead. ...I want that book now... Curse you and making things up from hilarious typos!
Krusk 04-23-07, 07:30 PM	Grammar. :) Man im amazing, that one was funny :) .
Egres 04-24-07, 03:19 AM	Man im amazing, that one was funny :) . You meant "I'm amazing".:D
KurenaiYami 04-24-07, 03:37 AM	You meant "I'm amazing".:D Oh lord, it just keeps going!
Magon 04-24-07, 10:15 AM	Shhh. durasel could sue you for saying that
PhantomTrain 04-24-07, 11:24 AM	Whatever, he got the idea. Grammer police are really unneccessary. tome* The actual correction was to your spelling, not your grammar. Also, there's only one 'c' in 'unnecessary'.
Krusk 04-24-07, 11:35 AM	shakes head I give up. :weep:
middlewilliam 04-24-07, 02:40 PM	i just looked up superior unarmed strike and it is was what i was thinking in the design of my feat. :( so i don't get to finish making this feat. :( :( :( :weep: :( :( :(
middlewilliam 04-24-07, 02:45 PM	and this post has really gotten off topic. and besides its the internet, spelling isn't really that important unless your an english teacher or a spelling freak! :rolleyes:
Dheran 04-25-07, 08:08 PM	and besides its the internet, spelling isn't really that important unless your an english teacher or a spelling freak! You probably meanAnd besides, it's the Internet; spelling isn't really that important unless you're an English teacher or a spelling freak! Thank you for pointing out how very important spelling, punctuation, capitalization, and grammar are to a medium which affords neither face-to-face communication nor nuances of vocal inflection. To actually contribute something on-topic, I'll point out that a Dragon adventure introduced a rule allowing you to Emulate a Specific Individual when activating a magic item with a DC 40 Use Magic Device check. If you emulated a particular monk of level 15+ when activating a Monk's Belt, you'd get their level 20 maximum unarmed damage (2d10 for medium monks).
KurenaiYami 04-25-07, 08:40 PM	Thank you for pointing out how very important spelling, punctuation, capitalization, and grammar are to a medium which afords neither face-to-face communication nor nuances of vocal inflection. You mean affords? I love this thread. I really, really do.
Jaime_Wolf 04-25-07, 08:50 PM	And besides, it's the Internet; spelling isn't really that important unless you're an English teacher or a spelling freak! Personally I'd have gone with a period rather than a semicolon, but that's likely just my distaste for that particular punctuation mark speaking (errr, typing).
Dheran 04-26-07, 03:34 PM	You mean affords? Yes, I surely do. Thank you for pointing out my error.
middlewilliam 04-28-07, 12:04 PM	this thread is really getting wierd. And don't correct my spelling. freek.
Tectorman 04-28-07, 08:40 PM	this thread is really getting wierd. And don't correct my spelling. freek. Sorry, dude, but I couldn't resist. It's not spelled "freek", it's spelled "freik".l
middlewilliam 04-28-07, 10:50 PM	Sorry, dude, but I couldn't resist. It's not spelled "freek", it's spelled "freik".l thats okat this can get fun though
liquidhypnotic 05-02-07, 01:56 AM	I think the day I'll give up on being a grammar and spelling policeman will be the day that people no longer get made fun of for sounding foreign or having funny accents. I love it when people pretend not to know the difference between (1) honest typos, (2) the understandable difficulty experienced by the foreign-born, and (3) inability to spell or punctuate correctly when there's really no good excuse, and the petty JOY with which typos are pointed out when committed by those trying to correct others. We all of us apologize; I suppose you hold your ignorance very precious. http://www.xkcd.com/c169.html <- vaguely related, all hilarious I'll never understand why. I decided to get educated and it took a book and a few hours. I mean seriously, if you could just grunt and point and get your point across, would you? Is being part of a species with developed languages really all that onerous? Semi-colons aren't all that bad; just use them between things that could stand as complete sentences (independent clauses, if you will), but that could use a connection that's stronger than the one between normal sentences. Like in my last sentence. http://www.grammarpolice.org/ ***** Qualifying relevant material: Does Superior Unarmed Strike have a pre-req of IUS? I'd bet it does. Drives me nuts. I'm going to submitting a custom feat under PEACH pretty soon, but basically what it would do is allow anyone to make unarmed attacks that deal as much damage with an unarmed strike as a monk whose level equals your BAB, but also still incur AoOs. Furthermore, this wouldn't count as IUS in terms of qualifying for anything. Then, I'd hand it out to all (or maybe some) classes with full BAB progression. I'm toying with the idea of calling it a proficiency, actually. It just BUGS me that a 20th level fighter who wakes up in the middle of the night, surrounded by goblins, is completely helpless. An unarmed Near-Epic Regdar in his draws and wifebeater can't knock out a goblin in one hit? Please. Please hold criticism for now; put it in the appropriate place. When I post, I will link here.
Krusk 05-02-07, 02:09 PM	The thing about grammar police on the internet is that the only one who benifits from it are the police themselves. If I don't feel like spending the time to proofread something and what I type is comprehensible who really cares if I forget a comma? More importantly, if someone cares, does it really benifit anyone to say "You forgot a comma, here is how you should have said it...". All that does is take up form space and increase your post count. The guy who dosn't care about his grammar isn't going to change. All it does is prove you know how to proofread. A skill most people learn in fourth grade, it is assumed the general population can do it, there is no need to "help them out" by pointing out errors. If you really feel a need to correct grammar on the internet, for some reason, it would probably be best done through PM. That way both you and the person who made the mistake understand and you don't waste everyone else's time.
Egres 05-02-07, 07:05 PM	what I type is comprehensible who really cares if I forget a comma? What you write isn't always comprehensible, especially for foreigners like me. It's a matter of respect.
Argo 05-02-07, 07:57 PM	Leaving out a comma can completely change the meaning of your sentence. Example: "I hate her baby," versus "I hate her, baby." The comma changes everything. In the first sentence, I can not abide her offspring. In the second, I can not abide her, but I really like you. Misspelling a word can completely change the meaning of your sentence. Example: "The party is going to be fighting a White Dragon next session," versus "The party is going to be fighting a Wight Dragon next session." In the first sentence, you're going to do battle against a Chromatic Dragon that breathes ice. In the second, you'll be fighting a horrible undead Dragon that eats your life-force. So, it isn't unnecessary or time-wasting. Purposely not proofing your post before you put it up is both unnecessary and time-wasting. You could check it yourself, you just choose not to. Instead, you waste our time trying to decipher your garbled message. Sure, most of the time we can puzzle it out. But why make us work for it?