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Cariyaga 04-24-07, 08:49 PM	I was thinking about having a feat called "Greater Feint", or something like that, that allowed you to have all of your attacks despite feinting. Prerequisites would be Improved feint and I don't know what. Help?
Lixith 04-25-07, 01:13 AM	i don't know much about feint.... but.... a certain number of ranks in the bluff skill?????? a dex of at least 16???? Improved initiative (to demonstrate quickness)?????? If you were looking for pre-req's
KurenaiYami 04-25-07, 01:25 AM	I was thinking about having a feat called "Greater Feint", or something like that, that allowed you to have all of your attacks despite feinting. Prerequisites would be Improved feint and I don't know what. Help? So you're looking to be able to Feint as a swift action. Just so you know, feint still only works on your first attack of the set. Either way, yeah, prereqs should include Improved Feint. Since Improved Feint has a minimum Intelligence requirement and this feeds off of that, you should also have an Intelligence requirement for this. Make it at least 15, and I'd add a like amount of Dex in there somewhere.
Cariyaga 04-25-07, 05:12 PM	Really? It only lasts for one attack? Because I was under the impression that feinting negated their dex bonus for you until your next turn. Otherwise, what would be the point in feinting without improved feint?
KurenaiYami 04-26-07, 02:35 AM	Really? It only lasts for one attack? Because I was under the impression that feinting negated their dex bonus for you until your next turn. Otherwise, what would be the point in feinting without improved feint? The attack must be made on or before your next turn. So one round later still works.
DarkRhystar 04-26-07, 02:50 AM	Really? It only lasts for one attack? Because I was under the impression that feinting negated their dex bonus for you until your next turn. Otherwise, what would be the point in feinting without improved feint? Feinting does negate it until the next turn or the next attack. This allows one to still make the attack in the next round when feinting normally as a standard action. When feinting as a move action as per Improved Feint, you may make your attack in the same round with your standard action. Improved Feint makes what normally takes two turns take only one. If you were to add a Greater Feint which reduced the time to feint to a swift action, only the first attack of your full attack would have the target denied its dexterity bonus. The Invisible Blade class grants this ability (it was errata'd from a free action to a swift action). If you were to add a Greater Feint which reduced the time to feint to a free action, you could potentially feint before every attack. This would be far beyond the power scope of a feat however.
Xeviat-DM 04-26-07, 03:10 AM	Greater Feint can and should be a feat; it is in my setting and there have been no problems with it. Feint as a swift action, and you can still feint as a move action (which could allow you to get 1 sneak attack one round and 2 the next, and continue). I've made the prerequisites BAB +4 (meaning rogue 6 can get it if they spend all of their feats on the chain), Combat Expertise, Improved Feint, and Int +13.
Cariyaga 04-26-07, 04:51 PM	Ah. Okay, thanks. Not a free action, for sure. Maybe an epic feat. >_>