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EvilVegan 07-23-07, 10:02 AM	There are several instances where the books refer to "war training" or "trained for war", for example: "A horse not trained for war does not normally use its hooves to attack." How does one "train an animal for war" and what does it affect? I can find rules on training them for Fighting and Combat Riding, but it doesn't specify that this "trains them for war". And of course the moment I try to start a thread on it I forget all the examples of other war training instances.
Davro 07-23-07, 10:09 AM	Look up the Handle Animal skill. It gives DCs for training various tricks. and gives info on times. "For War" is effectively a package of tricks that can be taught together. OK, now I'll read it again. The combat riding package trains a mount to bear a rider into combat, and it is assumed that warhorses and riding dogs are already trained thusly. IMHO that counts as "Trained for war". It certainly would in games I DM.
Shadowfax7 07-23-07, 10:33 AM	IMO as well, trained in Combat Riding and "trained for war" are the same.
EvilVegan 07-23-07, 11:32 AM	Then why doesn't it say that? The rules are typically very clear about what certain phrases mean. "A horse not trained for combat riding or fighting does not normally use its hooves to attack" ... Any more opinions?
tarkin 07-23-07, 12:27 PM	The Monster Manual II, page 219, has a Warbeast template. It is specifically supposed to be "trained for combat", which includes trained to carry a rider, use armor, and some other good stuff. It says it takes 2 months and a Handle Animal Check DC 20 + HD to give an Animla or Vermin the Template.
EvilVegan 07-23-07, 01:05 PM	Could I apply that template to an existing animal companion? :D I'd say no. . .
StruckingFuggle 07-23-07, 01:06 PM	But that also applies the warbeast template to them. So that can't be what they meant when they wrote core.
risner 07-23-07, 01:36 PM	There are several instances where the books refer to "war training" or "trained for war", for example: "A horse not trained for war does not normally use its hooves to attack." How does one "train an animal for war" and what does it affect? Generally, you don't train them for war. This refers to things like "War Horse" and other creatures that are "better" than a basic animal and has the word "War" in their name. There is a 3.0 "War" template which is not recommended to use in 3.5 games. It is the generic "war template" for any animal (and produced the same improvement you have on a Warhorse compared to a horse.) You could not (of couse) apply the War template more than once (like try to apply it to a Warhorse.) Could I apply that template to an existing animal companion? :D I'd say no. . . No, because Animal Companions are typical animals (a war trained animal is not typical.)
tarkin 07-23-07, 01:42 PM	But that also applies the warbeast template to them. So that can't be what they meant when they wrote core. The Warbeast template is basically the difference between a Warhorse and a riding horse. They just explained it a bit better I pretty much consider "training an animal for war" to be just another way of saying "Give the animal the warbeast training." So that means it IS what they meant when they wrote core.
StruckingFuggle 07-23-07, 05:34 PM	So that means it IS what they meant when they wrote core. Then why, before MMII, didn't the skill use say "make the adjustments between the old animal and the new one as were made between the horse and warhorse" or something like that?