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fansy 07-17-07, 11:48 AM	Wasn't quite sure where to put this, so here goes. Say I take a race that comes with a couple levels of humanoid, which grants skill points...then I take the first level of a character class (at character creation), which also grants skill points at level 1. What's the max rank for a skill that is a "class skill" for both my race levels and class level? For example: My race gives me 10 skill points and hide as a class skill for 2 humanoid levels...my class gives me 20 skill points and hide as a class skill. My level 1 character of that race can put how many of those points in hide at level 1? Thanks for the help
Puca 07-17-07, 11:53 AM	Add all your hit-dice together and then +3. If you have two racial hit-dice and another from class-levels, you have 3 total hit-dice and a max-ranks of 6 in all class skills. What's the max rank for a skill that is a "class skill" for both my race levels and class level?Just to be clear, if it is a "class skill" for either the racial levels or the class you took, the max ranks are hit-dice +3. If Hide was a "class skill" for the race, and then you took a level of sorcerer or something, you still have a max-ranks of 6. If Spellcraft was not a class skill for the race, it still is for the sorcerer, so your max-ranks is still 6.
BW0222 07-17-07, 12:07 PM	fansy, Humaniods gain 2+int per hit dice and four times as many skill points for their first level of humaniod. All skills listed under the monster are considered class skills. A humaniod with 2HD of humaniod and a 10 intelligence, has 10 skill points. 4*2 at first and 2 more skill points at second. These could be choosen from those listed under the monster (say spot, listen, and escape artist). Other skills would be cross class skills and require two points to buy one rank. His maximum ranks in spot, listen, or escape artist would be 5 (it is a class skill) and his maximum ranks in any other skill would be 2.5 (as they are non-class skills). Later, the humaniod takes a class level - say he is now a humaniod/2 druid/1. As a druid he gains 4 skill points. These are purchased using the druid skill list. He could buy one rank in handle animal for one skill point, a rank in spot for one skill point, but gaining a rank in escape artist would cost two skill points (since escape artist is a cross-class skill for druids). His maximum class skill ranks would be 6 (since he is 3rd-level - humaniod/2 druid/1) and for cross class skills it would be 3. For the purposes of maximum ranks, all class skills from any class are included. Thus, all druid skills plus escape artist could have up to 6 ranks. All others would be 3. However, purchasing a rank in escape artist using druid skill points still costs two skill points. You only gain the 4*(x+int) for the first level of any class or racial hit dice. In this case humaniod.
tarkin 07-17-07, 12:09 PM	Max ranks for any skill that is a class skill for ANY of your HD = total HD (including HD from classes) +3 If it is not a class skill for any of your HD, thanL total (HD +3)/2 Note, you still pay 2 points when you buy ranks if those points came from a race/class that did not have it as class skill. If it did have it as a class skill, it is 1 point per rank.
risner 07-17-07, 12:44 PM	For example: My race gives me 10 skill points and hide as a class skill for 2 humanoid levels...my class gives me 20 skill points and hide as a class skill. My level 1 character of that race can put how many of those points in hide at level 1? First off you are totally confused. I will use a 1st level Cleric Bugbear as an example: ECL 1 = 1st Bugbear HD = +4 * (2+INT) skill points max ranks 4. Class Skills: Climb, Hide, Listen, Move Silently, Search, and Spot. ECL 2 = 2nd Bugbear HD = +(2+INT) skill points max ranks 5. ECL 3 = 3rd Bugbear HD = +(2+INT) skill points max ranks 6. ECL 4 = +1 LA Bugbear = nothing ECL 5 = 1st Cleric HD = +(2+INT) skill points max ranks 7. Class Skills: Cleric list. So you have a maximum of 14 skiil points right now total if your INT = 10 or 11.