If I wanted my horse to have Imp Grapple... [Archive] - Wizards Community

If I wanted my horse to have Imp Grapple... [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
FrostHammer
09-29-07, 12:23 PM A horse is already proficient with its natural weapons. Would you say it's reasonable to allow a horse to take Improved Grapple without taking Improved Unarmed Strike? I want my mount to be able to keep opponents at bay while I fight other stuff :)
IdleAltruism
09-29-07, 12:28 PM It specifically states in grapples you have to "grab" your foe. I doubt a horse would be able to initiate grapples, although I see nothing wrong with letting it take improved grapple. How many people grapple horses?
FrostHammer
09-29-07, 12:47 PM Actually, this comic and Windstriker disagrees with you :D

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0200.html
Ian0311
09-29-07, 01:05 PM I don't see what would make this unreasonable.
Slimgauge
09-29-07, 07:11 PM You should probably teach your horse the 'pin' trick from this article Random Encounters: Wild Life Part II (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/re/20031125a) if your animal handling skill is up to it, or get someone else to do it for you. Not necessary if your horse is intelligent, such as if it's your paladin mount.
FrostHammer
09-30-07, 12:10 PM Unfortunately this is not an intelligent mount. It's bright for a hose, and a very well-trained warhorse, but not a special mount.
BW0222
09-30-07, 01:07 PM FrostHammer,

A horse is already proficient with its natural weapons. Would you say it's reasonable to allow a horse to take Improved Grapple without taking Improved Unarmed Strike? I want my mount to be able to keep opponents at bay while I fight other stuff

Natural weapons are not improved unarmed stikes.
Killydd
09-30-07, 05:10 PM I believe that if natural weapons had been intended as prerequisites for Improved Grapple, you'd see a LOT more monsters with it, namely almost every single one they gave Snatch or Constrict or Improved Grab to.

I think that I'd in general rule that any tactic for an animal to use outside of its "natural" routine should count as an extra trick. It isn't normal, so you could push an animal to try it, or train it in long-term to be used as a separate trick.

As a side note, OotS has never been concerned with rules when breaking them is funny or cinematic.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
FrostHammer 09-29-07, 12:23 PM	A horse is already proficient with its natural weapons. Would you say it's reasonable to allow a horse to take Improved Grapple without taking Improved Unarmed Strike? I want my mount to be able to keep opponents at bay while I fight other stuff :)
IdleAltruism 09-29-07, 12:28 PM	It specifically states in grapples you have to "grab" your foe. I doubt a horse would be able to initiate grapples, although I see nothing wrong with letting it take improved grapple. How many people grapple horses?
FrostHammer 09-29-07, 12:47 PM	Actually, this comic and Windstriker disagrees with you :D http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0200.html
Ian0311 09-29-07, 01:05 PM	I don't see what would make this unreasonable.
Slimgauge 09-29-07, 07:11 PM	You should probably teach your horse the 'pin' trick from this article Random Encounters: Wild Life Part II (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/re/20031125a) if your animal handling skill is up to it, or get someone else to do it for you. Not necessary if your horse is intelligent, such as if it's your paladin mount.
FrostHammer 09-30-07, 12:10 PM	Unfortunately this is not an intelligent mount. It's bright for a hose, and a very well-trained warhorse, but not a special mount.
BW0222 09-30-07, 01:07 PM	FrostHammer, A horse is already proficient with its natural weapons. Would you say it's reasonable to allow a horse to take Improved Grapple without taking Improved Unarmed Strike? I want my mount to be able to keep opponents at bay while I fight other stuff Natural weapons are not improved unarmed stikes.
Killydd 09-30-07, 05:10 PM	I believe that if natural weapons had been intended as prerequisites for Improved Grapple, you'd see a LOT more monsters with it, namely almost every single one they gave Snatch or Constrict or Improved Grab to. I think that I'd in general rule that any tactic for an animal to use outside of its "natural" routine should count as an extra trick. It isn't normal, so you could push an animal to try it, or train it in long-term to be used as a separate trick. As a side note, OotS has never been concerned with rules when breaking them is funny or cinematic.