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angryman 02-22-07, 10:41 PM	I'm trying to make a melee centered druid, and I was wondering whether Imp. Natural Attack would work, and if so, how?
jaelis 02-22-07, 10:44 PM	It would be up to the DM, but I would allow it. You'd have to take it for a particular weapon of a particular creature, though. (Like a dire bear's bite, for instance.) And obviously, you would have to be able to wildshape into that creature.
Jackmojo 02-22-07, 10:45 PM	Altough some DM's might disallow it, the normal logic is since a druid does indeed possess Natural weapons via Wildshape they can take it, but that it will only apply when they are in a shape with the appropriate Natural attack (claws for Improved Natural Attack: claw, etc...) In the grand scheme of things it increases a druids power so little there is not much reason to disallow it, as there are certainly more powerful feats for a druid to take at ninth level (since sixth is invariably Natural Spell). Jack
runestar 02-22-07, 10:51 PM	If you could take INA:bite, would it apply to all bite attacks in general, or simply the bite attack of that single animal chosen at that time? I suppose you could level up while in wildshape, thus possessing natural weapons to qualify for the feat...:P
Jackmojo 02-22-07, 10:59 PM	If you could take INA:bite, would it apply to all bite attacks in general, or simply the bite attack of that single animal chosen at that time? Hmm the wording is a bit unclear: Improved Natural Attack [General] Prerequisite Natural weapon, base attack bonus +4. Benefit Choose one of the creature’s natural attack forms. The damage for this natural weapon increases by one step, as if the creature’s size had increased by one category: 1d2, 1d3, 1d4, 1d6, 1d8, 2d6, 3d6, 4d6, 6d6, 8d6, 12d6. A weapon or attack that deals 1d10 points of damage increases as follows: 1d10, 2d8, 3d8, 4d8, 6d8, 8d8, 12d8. This feat may be taken multiple times, but each time it applies to a different natural attack. I've always worked under the assumption its any claw attacks but I can certainly see the arguement against that on rereading it. Well if its only one attack type of one creature type its definetly off my list of feats I'd take for a druid. Jack
zook1shoe666 02-22-07, 11:06 PM	it applies to all versions of the chosen form attack, no matter what form. a claw attack is the same whether you're a bear or a jaguar, since they both use the same name for the attack form. obviously its up to the DM to allow the druid to have his wild shape qualify for the feat. also like Jackmojo said.... theres quite a few much more powerful feats. he didn't mention my FAVORITE druid feat..... Exalted Wild Shape. obviously Natural Spell is a very close second.
MerlintheTuna 02-22-07, 11:07 PM	I would not make a druid take INA: Bear's Claw and INA: Dire Bear's Claw. You don't take Weapon Focus: This-Particular-Greatsword-and-no-others, you take Weapon Focus: Greatsword, and it works for all greatswords. I consider this a similar case.
jaelis 02-22-07, 11:10 PM	it applies to all versions of the chosen form attack, no matter what form. a claw attack is the same whether you're a bear or a jaguar, since they both use the same name for the attack form. Well, I don't have stats for a jaguar, but if a polar bear's claw and a lion's claw are the same weapon, shouldn't they do the same damage?
zook1shoe666 02-22-07, 11:22 PM	Well, I don't have stats for a jaguar, but if a polar bear's claw and a lion's claw are the same weapon, shouldn't they do the same damage? remember the damage is based on size and strength, and sometimes based on the animal, but either way its Claw +(x) (x)d(x)+str or +(x) (x)d(x)+1/2str
jaelis 02-22-07, 11:27 PM	remember the damage is based on size and strength, and sometimes based on the animal, but either way its Claw +(x) (x)d(x)+str or +(x) (x)d(x)+1/2str :) OK, that describes any weapon. But if a player came to me with a weapon that he called a gratesword, which did 1d10 damage with a x4 crit, and asked if he could apply weapon focus (greatsword) to it, I wouldn't let him. A greatsword is more than anything else defined by its stats, which are 2d6 19-20/x2 (for a medium weapon). My point is that different creatures have different base damages for their claw attacks, even if they are the same size. I was just curious how you reconciled that with them all being the same weapon.
zook1shoe666 02-22-07, 11:41 PM	:) OK, that describes any weapon. But if a player came to me with a weapon that he called a gratesword, which did 1d10 damage with a x4 crit, and asked if he could apply weapon focus (greatsword) to it, I wouldn't let him. A greatsword is more than anything else defined by its stats, which are 2d6 19-20/x2 (for a medium weapon). My point is that different creatures have different base damages for their claw attacks, even if they are the same size. I was just curious how you reconciled that with them all being the same weapon. yeah i see your point. i'm sticking to my view though. obviously its really just up to the DM of that game and how he/she looks at it.
Toshi 02-23-07, 02:14 PM	Where is this feat documented?
Ovistavin 02-23-07, 08:03 PM	Where is this feat documented? The SRD or the Monster Manual.
SephDragoon 02-24-07, 10:44 AM	Claws are claws, but different animals have their claws sized differently. A greatsword is still a greatsword, whether it is sized for or you are using monkey grip. Go look up the claw attacks and stuff. The ones that don't really match the norm for their size usually have improved natural attack as a feat. There are RARE exceptions... very rare. Claws are claws, no matter where you get them.
zook1shoe666 02-24-07, 10:53 AM	Claws are claws, but different animals have their claws sized differently. A greatsword is still a greatsword, whether it is sized for or you are using monkey grip. Go look up the claw attacks and stuff. The ones that don't really match the norm for their size usually have improved natural attack as a feat. There are RARE exceptions... very rare. Claws are claws, no matter where you get them. good way to put it, thanx :)