Ironheart Aura? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Ironheart Aura? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Arminel
02-14-08, 05:22 PM I've seen a lot of Warblade builds using this feat, and I have to wonder if people use it to boost their own saves? It says adjacent allies, and technically you are not adjacent to yourself, or is this ruled otherwise?
mplindustries
02-15-08, 04:11 AM I've seen a lot of Warblade builds using this feat, and I have to wonder if people use it to boost their own saves? It says adjacent allies, and technically you are not adjacent to yourself, or is this ruled otherwise?

Its a pretty lousy feat. Most builds take it as a pre-req for one of the best tactical feats in the game: Stormguard Warrior.

Oh, and no, it doesn't affect yourself.
elonin
02-16-08, 09:40 AM Very few feats truely suck. It's usefullness depends on what you are looking for. Sounds like this feat would be great for a second line fighter. For example marshall would be a good fit for this.
navar100
02-16-08, 11:50 AM It's an altruistic feat. It's not meant to benefit yourself. It allows you to help others. You're a really nice guy to spend a feat that only helps others.

Aesthetically, though, it doesn't fit the Iron Heart discipline. It's more of a White Raven feel. <shrug>
StruckingFuggle
02-16-08, 12:57 PM Very few feats truely suck. It's usefullness depends on what you are looking for. Sounds like this feat would be great for a second line fighter. For example marshall would be a good fit for this.

Still not really, because it's still only people standing one square next to you, and does nothing really for the people you're behind, except maybe in a cramped dungeon crawl.
CryoSilver
02-16-08, 02:04 PM It's good if there's multiple fighter-types in your group and you tend to stand adjacent.
navar100
02-16-08, 06:24 PM A paladin would like it to help allies' save vs fear within their aura of protection. A paladin is a type of person who would take it.
StruckingFuggle
02-16-08, 06:46 PM A paladin would like it to help allies' save vs fear within their aura of protection. A paladin is a type of person who would take it.

Except it only works when the Paladin is standing right next to them. How often does that happen?

(like someone said, this makes almost no thematic sense for Iron Heart. It wouldn't be so bad if it was Devoted Spirit and was, say, w/in 30'...)
Arminel
02-17-08, 03:49 AM Except it only works when the Paladin is standing right next to them. How often does that happen?

Have someone ride your Mount with you. Heck, even your mount with get the bonuses =]
CryoSilver
02-17-08, 10:28 AM (like someone said, this makes almost no thematic sense for Iron Heart. It wouldn't be so bad if it was Devoted Spirit and was, say, w/in 30'...)

That's a bit strong for a feat though, isn't it?
navar100
02-17-08, 12:25 PM Except it only works when the Paladin is standing right next to them. How often does that happen?

Often enough if a player is taking the feat.

(like someone said, this makes almost no thematic sense for Iron Heart.

That was me. :P

It wouldn't be so bad if it was Devoted Spirit and was, say, w/in 30'...)

I figured White Raven, but Devoted Spirit works as well I guess. Diamond Mind has a case for it.
StruckingFuggle
02-17-08, 01:24 PM *facepalm* I meant White Raven, actually; but yeah, I can sort of see Devoted Spirit.

CryoSilver: A bit strong for a feat? eeeh, maybe; but I don't really think so... *shrug* Maybe I just have some skewed ideas on that issue, though. A good feat, sure, but it wouldn't really begin to approach "must take" (though I guess if I had a Leader or Thrallherd I'd probably want my cohort to take it, or something ... or a Psicrystal if that'd work, but... most of the characters I've played still wouldn't take it.)
Silvercrys
02-17-08, 01:31 PM As mplindustries said, most Warblades only take it because it is a prerequisite for Stormguard Warrior. It's usefulness as a feat is... Well, not much in my opinion. But I can see some instances where it would be ok (the multiple frontliners party for one). And I also agree with those saying it doesn't fit Iron Heart's flavor well.
InkBlot
02-17-08, 01:45 PM If 30 feet is too much, then how about 15? It would still see a lot more use if the radius were upped to even just 10 feet.

Have someone ride your Mount with you. Heck, even your mount with get the bonuses =]

That's very true! This feat is a good one for anybody with a mount, especially weaker ones such as a Ranger's Animal Companion or a Wild Cohort (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/re/20031118a). It doesn't stack with Devotion, but Devotion doesn't apply to Fortitude or Reflex saves.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Arminel 02-14-08, 05:22 PM	I've seen a lot of Warblade builds using this feat, and I have to wonder if people use it to boost their own saves? It says adjacent allies, and technically you are not adjacent to yourself, or is this ruled otherwise?
mplindustries 02-15-08, 04:11 AM	I've seen a lot of Warblade builds using this feat, and I have to wonder if people use it to boost their own saves? It says adjacent allies, and technically you are not adjacent to yourself, or is this ruled otherwise? Its a pretty lousy feat. Most builds take it as a pre-req for one of the best tactical feats in the game: Stormguard Warrior. Oh, and no, it doesn't affect yourself.
elonin 02-16-08, 09:40 AM	Very few feats truely suck. It's usefullness depends on what you are looking for. Sounds like this feat would be great for a second line fighter. For example marshall would be a good fit for this.
navar100 02-16-08, 11:50 AM	It's an altruistic feat. It's not meant to benefit yourself. It allows you to help others. You're a really nice guy to spend a feat that only helps others. Aesthetically, though, it doesn't fit the Iron Heart discipline. It's more of a White Raven feel. <shrug>
StruckingFuggle 02-16-08, 12:57 PM	Very few feats truely suck. It's usefullness depends on what you are looking for. Sounds like this feat would be great for a second line fighter. For example marshall would be a good fit for this. Still not really, because it's still only people standing one square next to you, and does nothing really for the people you're behind, except maybe in a cramped dungeon crawl.
CryoSilver 02-16-08, 02:04 PM	It's good if there's multiple fighter-types in your group and you tend to stand adjacent.
navar100 02-16-08, 06:24 PM	A paladin would like it to help allies' save vs fear within their aura of protection. A paladin is a type of person who would take it.
StruckingFuggle 02-16-08, 06:46 PM	A paladin would like it to help allies' save vs fear within their aura of protection. A paladin is a type of person who would take it. Except it only works when the Paladin is standing right next to them. How often does that happen? (like someone said, this makes almost no thematic sense for Iron Heart. It wouldn't be so bad if it was Devoted Spirit and was, say, w/in 30'...)
Arminel 02-17-08, 03:49 AM	Except it only works when the Paladin is standing right next to them. How often does that happen? Have someone ride your Mount with you. Heck, even your mount with get the bonuses =]
CryoSilver 02-17-08, 10:28 AM	(like someone said, this makes almost no thematic sense for Iron Heart. It wouldn't be so bad if it was Devoted Spirit and was, say, w/in 30'...) That's a bit strong for a feat though, isn't it?
navar100 02-17-08, 12:25 PM	Except it only works when the Paladin is standing right next to them. How often does that happen? Often enough if a player is taking the feat. (like someone said, this makes almost no thematic sense for Iron Heart. That was me. :P It wouldn't be so bad if it was Devoted Spirit and was, say, w/in 30'...) I figured White Raven, but Devoted Spirit works as well I guess. Diamond Mind has a case for it.
StruckingFuggle 02-17-08, 01:24 PM	facepalm I meant White Raven, actually; but yeah, I can sort of see Devoted Spirit. CryoSilver: A bit strong for a feat? eeeh, maybe; but I don't really think so... shrug Maybe I just have some skewed ideas on that issue, though. A good feat, sure, but it wouldn't really begin to approach "must take" (though I guess if I had a Leader or Thrallherd I'd probably want my cohort to take it, or something ... or a Psicrystal if that'd work, but... most of the characters I've played still wouldn't take it.)
Silvercrys 02-17-08, 01:31 PM	As mplindustries said, most Warblades only take it because it is a prerequisite for Stormguard Warrior. It's usefulness as a feat is... Well, not much in my opinion. But I can see some instances where it would be ok (the multiple frontliners party for one). And I also agree with those saying it doesn't fit Iron Heart's flavor well.
InkBlot 02-17-08, 01:45 PM	If 30 feet is too much, then how about 15? It would still see a lot more use if the radius were upped to even just 10 feet. Have someone ride your Mount with you. Heck, even your mount with get the bonuses =] That's very true! This feat is a good one for anybody with a mount, especially weaker ones such as a Ranger's Animal Companion or a Wild Cohort (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/re/20031118a). It doesn't stack with Devotion, but Devotion doesn't apply to Fortitude or Reflex saves.