Ki - Lawful; What for? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Ki - Lawful; What for? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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NeueRegel
07-25-07, 09:29 AM You know, I've played two monks. I've DM'd as often as I've played. 3.5, core rules only.

And in all that time, I have never once even seen a single creature that has DR x/law.

What is this power supposed to be for?

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Egres
07-25-07, 09:38 AM Try a Slaad. (I think you meant DR X/Law, and not Spell Resistance X/Law, that is something that doesn't exist)
NeueRegel
07-25-07, 09:53 AM Yeah, I did mean DR; one of my few typoes. How embarassing, I'll have to fix that...

Slaad huh? That's one I've never seen, since I don't own the MM. It's one of the copyrighted monsters, it's not in the SRD. I've only ever owned the PHB and the DMG.

Thanks for one answer.

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TheAnthroDM
07-25-07, 10:14 AM Aren't there several powerful fey creatures with DR/Cold Iron and Law?
Neutronium_Dragon
07-25-07, 10:15 AM Generally, DR/Lawful is found on chaotic neutral outsiders, or at least those close enough to chaotic neutral to not get tagged with DR/Good or DR/Evil instead.

I don't know offhand if there are any fey with it, though. For the most part DR/alignment is found in outsider-type creatures.
RobbyPants
07-25-07, 10:30 AM Generally, DR/Lawful is found on chaotic neutral outsiders, or at least those close enough to chaotic neutral to not get tagged with DR/Good or DR/Evil instead.

I don't know offhand if there are any fey with it, though. For the most part DR/alignment is found in outsider-type creatures.
Yes. It seems funny that the good-evil part seems to weigh more heaviliy (at least in terms of game mechanics) than the law-chaos part. I've noticed this too.

Slaad are the only ones I can think of for sure. I'm also unsure about the fey, but they are certainly the second place I would look.

Also, Slaad are the only race that I can think of off-hand that are resistant/immune to sonic damage. They're a wierd race in general.
Nezkrul
07-25-07, 10:41 AM and a planar shepherd of Limbo can be quite deadly
Centauri
07-25-07, 03:44 PM Titans have DR 15/lawful, but I can see why you might not have encountered them very often.
Dazzer
07-25-07, 03:52 PM Titans, Slaadi, (MM)

Obyrith (subtype of demon), NPC's with Abyssal Heritor Feats.

Mantle of Faith for a CN Diety (5/Lawful).

Chaos Dragons! (and a few other planar dragons)

There are a few other random things, but most of them don't come up in campaigns. In fact, most of the time the law-chaos axis doesn't come up. However, if you are a LG monk, and you are allowed to take Exalted feats, having Ki Strike Lawful is the pre-requisite for Holy Ki Strike feat (giving you Ki Strike good and bonuses against evil creatures). Which is more likely to come up.
Centauri
07-25-07, 04:07 PM Anyway, if it's not very useful, that shouldn't be a big deal. It's like the Druid's ability to wildshape into plants. There aren't a lot of good uses for the ability, but it makes sense and the class has a lot of other great abilities.
MerlintheTuna
07-25-07, 06:43 PM Anyway, if it's not very useful, that shouldn't be a big deal. It's like the Druid's ability to wildshape into plants. There aren't a lot of good uses for the ability, but it makes sense and the class has a lot of other great abilities.The Druid actually has a few really good plant forms. The ability shows up quite a few times in the Druid Handbook. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=465005)
NeueRegel
07-25-07, 09:42 PM Actually, this thread has inspired me. Thank you all.

I have a "date" with my DM. This is my character, I'm the player.

I haven't had a challenge in a while.

I'm going to see if I can best a Titan, tête-à-tête, mano a mano.

We have not honestly decided if it's going to be a "real" adventure or not, at this moment. But to be honest, looking at my abilities and it's, I think I can beat one. Barely.

We'll decide if it's to be a real adventure before-hand; I'm 20th level (9th Fighter/11th Monk), and it's 21 CR... it's tempting.

The only thing I am really worried about, is that if I'm right, and I've got at least a 50/50-shot of beating it, is that I have absolutely no way of keeping it from teleporting away.

If it does that, do I get experience for a "win"? Or is it not a defeat, just an encounter? Or some percentage? (Look at me, damn I'm confident...)

I've been looking for a fight like this for my entire career. I'd not really mind "going down" this way, actually... We don't play epic levels, and why not go out with a killer story? *smirk*

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NeueRegel 07-25-07, 09:29 AM	You know, I've played two monks. I've DM'd as often as I've played. 3.5, core rules only. And in all that time, I have never once even seen a single creature that has DR x/law. What is this power supposed to be for? Neue
Egres 07-25-07, 09:38 AM	Try a Slaad. (I think you meant DR X/Law, and not Spell Resistance X/Law, that is something that doesn't exist)
NeueRegel 07-25-07, 09:53 AM	Yeah, I did mean DR; one of my few typoes. How embarassing, I'll have to fix that... Slaad huh? That's one I've never seen, since I don't own the MM. It's one of the copyrighted monsters, it's not in the SRD. I've only ever owned the PHB and the DMG. Thanks for one answer. Neue
TheAnthroDM 07-25-07, 10:14 AM	Aren't there several powerful fey creatures with DR/Cold Iron and Law?
Neutronium_Dragon 07-25-07, 10:15 AM	Generally, DR/Lawful is found on chaotic neutral outsiders, or at least those close enough to chaotic neutral to not get tagged with DR/Good or DR/Evil instead. I don't know offhand if there are any fey with it, though. For the most part DR/alignment is found in outsider-type creatures.
RobbyPants 07-25-07, 10:30 AM	Generally, DR/Lawful is found on chaotic neutral outsiders, or at least those close enough to chaotic neutral to not get tagged with DR/Good or DR/Evil instead. I don't know offhand if there are any fey with it, though. For the most part DR/alignment is found in outsider-type creatures. Yes. It seems funny that the good-evil part seems to weigh more heaviliy (at least in terms of game mechanics) than the law-chaos part. I've noticed this too. Slaad are the only ones I can think of for sure. I'm also unsure about the fey, but they are certainly the second place I would look. Also, Slaad are the only race that I can think of off-hand that are resistant/immune to sonic damage. They're a wierd race in general.
Nezkrul 07-25-07, 10:41 AM	and a planar shepherd of Limbo can be quite deadly
Centauri 07-25-07, 03:44 PM	Titans have DR 15/lawful, but I can see why you might not have encountered them very often.
Dazzer 07-25-07, 03:52 PM	Titans, Slaadi, (MM) Obyrith (subtype of demon), NPC's with Abyssal Heritor Feats. Mantle of Faith for a CN Diety (5/Lawful). Chaos Dragons! (and a few other planar dragons) There are a few other random things, but most of them don't come up in campaigns. In fact, most of the time the law-chaos axis doesn't come up. However, if you are a LG monk, and you are allowed to take Exalted feats, having Ki Strike Lawful is the pre-requisite for Holy Ki Strike feat (giving you Ki Strike good and bonuses against evil creatures). Which is more likely to come up.
Centauri 07-25-07, 04:07 PM	Anyway, if it's not very useful, that shouldn't be a big deal. It's like the Druid's ability to wildshape into plants. There aren't a lot of good uses for the ability, but it makes sense and the class has a lot of other great abilities.
MerlintheTuna 07-25-07, 06:43 PM	Anyway, if it's not very useful, that shouldn't be a big deal. It's like the Druid's ability to wildshape into plants. There aren't a lot of good uses for the ability, but it makes sense and the class has a lot of other great abilities.The Druid actually has a few really good plant forms. The ability shows up quite a few times in the Druid Handbook. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=465005)
NeueRegel 07-25-07, 09:42 PM	Actually, this thread has inspired me. Thank you all. I have a "date" with my DM. This is my character, I'm the player. I haven't had a challenge in a while. I'm going to see if I can best a Titan, tête-à-tête, mano a mano. We have not honestly decided if it's going to be a "real" adventure or not, at this moment. But to be honest, looking at my abilities and it's, I think I can beat one. Barely. We'll decide if it's to be a real adventure before-hand; I'm 20th level (9th Fighter/11th Monk), and it's 21 CR... it's tempting. The only thing I am really worried about, is that if I'm right, and I've got at least a 50/50-shot of beating it, is that I have absolutely no way of keeping it from teleporting away. If it does that, do I get experience for a "win"? Or is it not a defeat, just an encounter? Or some percentage? (Look at me, damn I'm confident...) I've been looking for a fight like this for my entire career. I'd not really mind "going down" this way, actually... We don't play epic levels, and why not go out with a killer story? smirk Neue