LA and character levels? [Archive] - Wizards Community

LA and character levels? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Ninja_Ferret
10-12-07, 01:26 PM Ok this may sound like a stupid question but here it goes.

Ok say im a 5th level character. +1La 2druid/ranger.

Now would my max skill ranks be for a 4th level character or a 5th level?

What about feats. If I gained one level would i get the 6th level feat?

What about feats like practiced spell caster? Would it raise the druids caster level to 5 or 4?
LSMFT
10-12-07, 01:40 PM Skills, feats, the effect of Practiced Spellcaster, all these ignore LA. It doesn't factor in.

Max ranks, number of feats are based on HIT DICE. And hit dice can come from race or class levels, but not from LA.

For example, a doppelganger sorcerer 4 has an ECL of 12.
But, it has 8 hit dice. Four from race, 4 from class.

This character has maximum skill rank of 11 in all skills that are on the sorcerer class list and the monster description.

This character would have 3 feats.

If it took Practiced Spellcaster, it could cast its sorcerer spells at caster level 8.
Legdiwena
10-12-07, 03:36 PM LA is only applied to experience needed to level up
Ninja_Ferret
10-12-07, 03:54 PM Oks. Ive never really bothered with LAs. Ive always tryed to keep me at a LA of 0.
EjoThims
10-14-07, 11:51 AM ECL - LA = HD

HD = Class levels + racial hit dice

Feats, skills, etc. are all based on HD, as noted previously.

Other then exp and party level, the only time LA may come into play is the very few abilities that specifically reference 'character level.'

But that's pretty fuzzy ground and most DMs are likely to rule that even such abilities use CL and not ECL.
Decinious
10-14-07, 06:41 PM check out the SRD or the Unearthed Arcana and look into paying off the LA...
goawayugh
10-15-07, 09:29 AM check out the SRD or the Unearthed Arcana and look into paying off the LA...Reducing Level Adjustments (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/reducingLevelAdjustments.htm)
Ninja_Ferret
10-15-07, 12:47 PM Ok so how does this work exactly. I started in a 5th level game. I have an LA of 1. Can I pay off the level at any time after 3rd level or just at third level? Only on times I gain a level. Say I gain my 7th level would i pay 6000 exp right then and keep me at 6th level?
EjoThims
10-15-07, 12:58 PM Ok so how does this work exactly. I started in a 5th level game. I have an LA of 1. Can I pay off the level at any time after 3rd level or just at third level? Only on times I gain a level. Say I gain my 7th level would i pay 6000 exp right then and keep me at 6th level?

You can buy off LA at any level after you're able to buy it off, but only when leveling up.

When you level up and buy off LA, your LA goes down by one, your level goes up by one, but your ECL stays the same.

So if you have 2 LA, 2 HD, and 5 levels, you have ECL 9. When you reach 6th level, you can LA buyoff, so you have 1 LA, 2 HD, and 6 levels. Your ECL is still 9, and your Xp total is the minimum for ECL 9.
elonin
10-15-07, 06:16 PM I've just read the rule about LA buyoff. Does it work like this? I have a pc who is starting out as level three and i'm playing a catfolk which is +1 el race. So he'd have two class levels plus one el of adjustment (since they don't have racial HD). So when i gain my next level I can buy it off for ECL-1x1000xp for a total of 4000xp (if the dm allows this). After that I'd gain xp as normal and get my full progression. Right?

Does having an EL race prevent a character from getting his/her background skills?
Ninja_Ferret
10-15-07, 06:20 PM You would only be paying 3000 exp to buy it off. Since its ECL -1x1000 and you would be ECL 4 so - 1 from that is 3 and then x 1000 is 3000.

But it also says you cant buy off levels after you have passed your chance. Which in my opinon is dumb.

I dont understand your other question though
EjoThims
10-15-07, 06:23 PM Ah, I was assuming you had started play at a higher level or acquired te template later. Yes, if you're playing through the progression, your only change is at those times (though the next level after the introduction of the system should be allowed as well).

And yes, Even with LA, you get x4 skill points with your first HD.
elonin
10-15-07, 06:29 PM Actually that was my first post to this thread. I've been trying to find out info like this for a little while but can't search the forum (the search button at the top only directs me to articles).

I'm glad about still getting the first level bonus points; thought i'd be paying a premium since this is a rogue character.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Ninja_Ferret 10-12-07, 01:26 PM	Ok this may sound like a stupid question but here it goes. Ok say im a 5th level character. +1La 2druid/ranger. Now would my max skill ranks be for a 4th level character or a 5th level? What about feats. If I gained one level would i get the 6th level feat? What about feats like practiced spell caster? Would it raise the druids caster level to 5 or 4?
LSMFT 10-12-07, 01:40 PM	Skills, feats, the effect of Practiced Spellcaster, all these ignore LA. It doesn't factor in. Max ranks, number of feats are based on HIT DICE. And hit dice can come from race or class levels, but not from LA. For example, a doppelganger sorcerer 4 has an ECL of 12. But, it has 8 hit dice. Four from race, 4 from class. This character has maximum skill rank of 11 in all skills that are on the sorcerer class list and the monster description. This character would have 3 feats. If it took Practiced Spellcaster, it could cast its sorcerer spells at caster level 8.
Legdiwena 10-12-07, 03:36 PM	LA is only applied to experience needed to level up
Ninja_Ferret 10-12-07, 03:54 PM	Oks. Ive never really bothered with LAs. Ive always tryed to keep me at a LA of 0.
EjoThims 10-14-07, 11:51 AM	ECL - LA = HD HD = Class levels + racial hit dice Feats, skills, etc. are all based on HD, as noted previously. Other then exp and party level, the only time LA may come into play is the very few abilities that specifically reference 'character level.' But that's pretty fuzzy ground and most DMs are likely to rule that even such abilities use CL and not ECL.
Decinious 10-14-07, 06:41 PM	check out the SRD or the Unearthed Arcana and look into paying off the LA...
goawayugh 10-15-07, 09:29 AM	check out the SRD or the Unearthed Arcana and look into paying off the LA...Reducing Level Adjustments (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/reducingLevelAdjustments.htm)
Ninja_Ferret 10-15-07, 12:47 PM	Ok so how does this work exactly. I started in a 5th level game. I have an LA of 1. Can I pay off the level at any time after 3rd level or just at third level? Only on times I gain a level. Say I gain my 7th level would i pay 6000 exp right then and keep me at 6th level?
EjoThims 10-15-07, 12:58 PM	Ok so how does this work exactly. I started in a 5th level game. I have an LA of 1. Can I pay off the level at any time after 3rd level or just at third level? Only on times I gain a level. Say I gain my 7th level would i pay 6000 exp right then and keep me at 6th level? You can buy off LA at any level after you're able to buy it off, but only when leveling up. When you level up and buy off LA, your LA goes down by one, your level goes up by one, but your ECL stays the same. So if you have 2 LA, 2 HD, and 5 levels, you have ECL 9. When you reach 6th level, you can LA buyoff, so you have 1 LA, 2 HD, and 6 levels. Your ECL is still 9, and your Xp total is the minimum for ECL 9.
elonin 10-15-07, 06:16 PM	I've just read the rule about LA buyoff. Does it work like this? I have a pc who is starting out as level three and i'm playing a catfolk which is +1 el race. So he'd have two class levels plus one el of adjustment (since they don't have racial HD). So when i gain my next level I can buy it off for ECL-1x1000xp for a total of 4000xp (if the dm allows this). After that I'd gain xp as normal and get my full progression. Right? Does having an EL race prevent a character from getting his/her background skills?
Ninja_Ferret 10-15-07, 06:20 PM	You would only be paying 3000 exp to buy it off. Since its ECL -1x1000 and you would be ECL 4 so - 1 from that is 3 and then x 1000 is 3000. But it also says you cant buy off levels after you have passed your chance. Which in my opinon is dumb. I dont understand your other question though
EjoThims 10-15-07, 06:23 PM	Ah, I was assuming you had started play at a higher level or acquired te template later. Yes, if you're playing through the progression, your only change is at those times (though the next level after the introduction of the system should be allowed as well). And yes, Even with LA, you get x4 skill points with your first HD.
elonin 10-15-07, 06:29 PM	Actually that was my first post to this thread. I've been trying to find out info like this for a little while but can't search the forum (the search button at the top only directs me to articles). I'm glad about still getting the first level bonus points; thought i'd be paying a premium since this is a rogue character.