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Dheran 10-02-07, 11:30 AM	The term "attack action" is never plainly defined in D&D, but is used in the Spring Attack and Shot on the Run feats. Some people interpret this term to mean a standard action attack; others as simply an attack (including part of a full attack). The latest FAQ specifies that an "attack action" can be part of a full attack action:Can a warlock use Rapid Shot to fire two eldritch blasts simultaneously? No. Using eldritch blast requires a standard action, not an attack action (unlike using a weapon). If something requires a standard action (as opposed to an attack action) to use, you can’t use the full attack action to gain extra uses of that ability, even with the Rapid Shot feat. ... but then immediately contradicts itself:Can a warlock use his eldritch blast in conjunction with Shot on the Run? What about hideous blow and Spring Attack? No and no. Using eldritch blast requires a standard action. The Shot on the Run and Spring Attack feats only let you use an attack action (that is, a specific kind of standard action) in conjunction with their allowed movement, not any kind of standard action. Isn't it nice to have this all cleared up? :rolleyes:
Someone 10-02-07, 01:20 PM	I don't think the FAQ contradicts itself in this case. The warlock's zappy is a standard action that is not an attack action. Spring Attack and Shot on the Run limits you to standard actions that are attack actions, and Rapid Shot limits you to full-round actions that are attack actions. Its like using a move action to move or a full-round action to move. Both involve movement, and involve "move actions" but not all move actions involve movement.
Puca 10-02-07, 01:27 PM	Yeah, I dont see the contradiction either. A single attack action is a standard action. But not all standard actions are attack actions. What remained unsaid, but still true, is that a full-attack action is special type of full-round action that consists of multiple attack actions. This is how Ive always interpreted the rules though, so I obviously see the consistency with the FAQ.
ravenshrike 10-02-07, 01:30 PM	The 'lock can, however, use mobile spellcasting. Which is much easier to qualify for as a 'lock anyway.
Puca 10-02-07, 01:47 PM	He can also use fly-by-attack. It allows for a standard, not just an attack action.
kalstrand 10-02-07, 06:27 PM	The attack actlion is defined on page 139 of the PHB. A full-attack never says it uses multiple attack actions. It uses multiple attacks.
Oliver D'Argent 10-02-07, 10:35 PM	The term "attack action" is never plainly defined in D&D, but is used in the Spring Attack and Shot on the Run feats. Some people interpret this term to mean a standard action attack; others as simply an attack (including part of a full attack). The latest FAQ specifies that an "attack action" can be part of a full attack action: Can a warlock use Rapid Shot to fire two eldritch blasts simultaneously? No. Using eldritch blast requires a standard action, not an attack action (unlike using a weapon). If something requires a standard action (as opposed to an attack action) to use, you can’t use the full attack action to gain extra uses of that ability, even with the Rapid Shot feat. ... but then immediately contradicts itself: Can a warlock use his eldritch blast in conjunction with Shot on the Run? What about hideous blow and Spring Attack? No and no. Using eldritch blast requires a standard action. The Shot on the Run and Spring Attack feats only let you use an attack action (that is, a specific kind of standard action) in conjunction with their allowed movement, not any kind of standard action. Isn't it nice to have this all cleared up? You must be misreading something. These two passages actually support one another, rather than contradict one another. Both state that an Eldritch Blast requires a Standard action to use and cannot be used in conjunction with feats that require the use of an Attack or Full Attack action - no contradiction whatsoever.
Dheran 10-03-07, 06:16 AM	The part that's at issue isIf something requires a standard action (as opposed to an attack action) to use, you can’t use the full attack action to gain extra uses of that ability ... which implies thatIf something requires an attack action to use, you can use the full attack action to gain extra uses of that ability
runestar 10-03-07, 06:54 AM	If something requires an attack action to use, you can use the full attack action to gain extra uses of that ability Isn't this the case? What are some examples where this rule would not be applicable?:confused:
EjoThims 10-03-07, 10:22 AM	If something requires an attack action to use, you can use the full attack action to gain extra uses of that ability Yes... We've all known this for a while...