Leap attack question [Archive] - Wizards Community

Leap attack question [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Papapop
08-08-07, 02:17 AM ok, i have power attack and when i -6 from my attack to use power attack with a great axe, thats a +12 bonus on damage correct me if im wrong

now if i get leap attack and i do that is that -6 on attack now a +36 on damage(as in 12*3) or a +18 on damage(6*3)

im thinking the latter but i just want to make sure

thanks
DM Zoc
08-08-07, 02:29 AM Despite the exact wording, you are right to think it's +18 damage. It would be rather crazy if it was +36.
1hitparry
08-08-07, 04:24 AM Check out the errata on complete adventurer. They changed leap attack so now you get 200% bonus damage, meaning you do +24 (12*2) extra damage from power attack. Or at least that's how I figure it.
tarkin
08-08-07, 11:23 AM No, they did not change leap attack.

The entire point of the errata was to try and tell people that it is 18, not 36 and not 24.

But they wrote it poorly.

Cripes man, an example would have made it so much easier, instead they tried to clarify it with words and just made it harder to understatnd.
RobbyPants
08-08-07, 12:14 PM No, they did not change leap attack.

The entire point of the errata was to try and tell people that it is 18, not 36 and not 24.

But they wrote it poorly.

Cripes man, an example would have made it so much easier, instead they tried to clarify it with words and just made it harder to understatnd.
Agreed. I wish they would have worded it like they did with Momentum Swing in Combat Brute (Complete Warrior).
Papapop
08-08-07, 12:30 PM alright thanks everyone
Frugal
08-08-07, 12:50 PM No, they did not change leap attack.

The entire point of the errata was to try and tell people that it is 18, not 36 and not 24.

But they wrote it poorly.

Cripes man, an example would have made it so much easier, instead they tried to clarify it with words and just made it harder to understatnd.

Actually, to further confuse things, the CW errata for supreme power attack uses the same +100% wording and includes an example which would indicate it's 36 not 18.
1hitparry
08-08-07, 10:11 PM Are you serious? The new wording really doesn't help the matter. Thanks for the clarification.
fire-blade
08-09-07, 07:04 AM if you subtract -6 you get 24 with leap attack.
its clearly said in the errta you get +100% your normal bonus dmg
the normal dmg for two handed weapon is 2 dmg for every point you subtract
that mean's you get an extra 2 dmg for every point
this mean:
1 point = 2 + 2 dmg = 4
6 * 4 = 24
Nezkrul
08-09-07, 11:35 AM The erratta only changes the 2nd sentence of the benefit paragraph. The third sentence is unchanged, and it reads: "If you use this tactic with a two-handed weapon, you instead triple the extra damage from Power Attack." So unless there is an FAQ about this eratta that I'm missing: -1/+2 becomes -1/+6 with a great ax.
fire-blade
08-09-07, 02:47 PM i thought he was using 1 handed weapon, i forgot he was using two handed weapon
Spikes01k
08-09-07, 03:02 PM So if a one handed weapon used Leap Attack of 14 how much extra damage would he do???

P.S.

OMDG I think I actually found a way that TWF actually works out for the better in some way! WOOT!

So if I leap attack, with the proper feats, with two Bastard swords for 14 damage, I do an extra 56 points of damage, 28 points each hit. Where a two handed weapon does only 42. Is it worth the ecentually -4 to hit? IDK. Is it worth the huge amounts of extra costs for making two weapons instead of only paying for 1? no its not.
Frugal
08-09-07, 03:34 PM The erratta only changes the 2nd sentence of the benefit paragraph. The third sentence is unchanged, and it reads: "If you use this tactic with a two-handed weapon, you instead triple the extra damage from Power Attack." So unless there is an FAQ about this eratta that I'm missing: -1/+2 becomes -1/+6 with a great ax.

Except that makes it completely obscene, I'm pretty sure it's supposed to make it 2:1 for a one handed and 4:1 from a 2-hander. But I've seen cases made for 3:1, 4:1 and 6:1.
Spikes01k
08-10-07, 08:23 AM Except that makes it completely obscene, I'm pretty sure it's supposed to make it 2:1 for a one handed and 4:1 from a 2-hander. But I've seen cases made for 3:1, 4:1 and 6:1.

Leap attack is clearly supposed to do 2:1 (twice the damage than normal) for one handed and 3:1 for a two handed. This is obvious to give some balancing factor to a person who wields two one handed weapons. So finally you have some use where after a ton of feats you can get a 4:1 ratio when striking with two weapons. Grant it that theres a balancing factor that you need to actually hit with two weapons, but its a little more worth it.

P.S. this is referring to the errata.

Page 110: Leap Attack
The second sentence of the Benefit paragraph should
read as follows:
If you cover at least 10 feet of horizontal distance with
your jump, and you end your jump in a square from
which you threaten your target, you deal +100% the
normal bonus damage from your use of the Power
Attack feat.

It does not change the ratio of a two handed weapon which is actually pretty clearly 3:1

I am going to contact WoTC to end this once and for all!
Frugal
08-10-07, 08:47 AM It does not change the ratio of a two handed weapon which is actually pretty clearly 3:1

I am going to contact WoTC to end this once and for all!

Unfortunately, it's not clearly 3:1 since the unchanged setting says that the bonus damage is tripled, since a 2-handed weapon does a 2:1 payoff some argue this means leap attack makes it 6:1 (doesn't follow standard rules for multiplying multipliers since power attack doesn't list it as a multiplier). Or, you say the +100% language is supposed to apply to 2-handers as well so that makes it 4:1. See what I mean?

I'd agree that 3:1 or 4:1 seem the most likely options but I really wish WOTC would clear this up, and the "+100% normal" language in the errata doesn't really help at all.
Spikes01k
08-10-07, 09:18 AM Unfortunately, it's not clearly 3:1 since the unchanged setting says that the bonus damage is tripled, since a 2-handed weapon does a 2:1 payoff some argue this means leap attack makes it 6:1 (doesn't follow standard rules for multiplying multipliers since power attack doesn't list it as a multiplier). Or, you say the +100% language is supposed to apply to 2-handers as well so that makes it 4:1. See what I mean?

I'd agree that 3:1 or 4:1 seem the most likely options but I really wish WOTC would clear this up, and the "+100% normal" language in the errata doesn't really help at all.

Is it just me or does WoTC hate TWF and Power attack. I would like to see something redeem twf some where. Why do they hat twf so much....

I have sent an E-mail
Frugal
08-10-07, 09:23 AM Is it just me or does WoTC hate TWF and Power attack. I would like to see something redeem twf some where. Why do they hat it so much....

Yeah, seems like they do, feat intensive, -2 penalties immediately puts it behind 2-handed, requires a full attack action to get the pay off (well, mitigated with, you guessed it, even more feats), etc.
Steely_Dan
08-10-07, 09:26 AM Is it just me or does WoTC hate TWF and Power attack. I would like to see something redeem twf some where. Why do they hate it so much....

...Drizzt.
Spikes01k
08-10-07, 12:30 PM Yeah, seems like they do, feat intensive, -2 penalties immediately puts it behind 2-handed, requires a full attack action to get the pay off (well, mitigated with, you guessed it, even more feats), etc.

You know I actually tried to call them, but they are closed for the weekend when their supposed to be open. WTF!

I am not happy, this is horrible service.
Frugal
08-10-07, 12:44 PM You know I actually tried to call them, but they are closed for the weekend when their supposed to be open. WTF!

I am not happy, this is horrible service.

From what I've heard, customer service is pretty unreliable for answers anyway, ask 3 times and you'll get 3 different answers.
Pechvarry
08-10-07, 01:49 PM Drizzt is weak, as printed.

And TWF is an anagram-of-acronyms for WTF.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Papapop 08-08-07, 02:17 AM	ok, i have power attack and when i -6 from my attack to use power attack with a great axe, thats a +12 bonus on damage correct me if im wrong now if i get leap attack and i do that is that -6 on attack now a +36 on damage(as in 123) or a +18 on damage(63) im thinking the latter but i just want to make sure thanks
DM Zoc 08-08-07, 02:29 AM	Despite the exact wording, you are right to think it's +18 damage. It would be rather crazy if it was +36.
1hitparry 08-08-07, 04:24 AM	Check out the errata on complete adventurer. They changed leap attack so now you get 200% bonus damage, meaning you do +24 (12*2) extra damage from power attack. Or at least that's how I figure it.
tarkin 08-08-07, 11:23 AM	No, they did not change leap attack. The entire point of the errata was to try and tell people that it is 18, not 36 and not 24. But they wrote it poorly. Cripes man, an example would have made it so much easier, instead they tried to clarify it with words and just made it harder to understatnd.
RobbyPants 08-08-07, 12:14 PM	No, they did not change leap attack. The entire point of the errata was to try and tell people that it is 18, not 36 and not 24. But they wrote it poorly. Cripes man, an example would have made it so much easier, instead they tried to clarify it with words and just made it harder to understatnd. Agreed. I wish they would have worded it like they did with Momentum Swing in Combat Brute (Complete Warrior).
Papapop 08-08-07, 12:30 PM	alright thanks everyone
Frugal 08-08-07, 12:50 PM	No, they did not change leap attack. The entire point of the errata was to try and tell people that it is 18, not 36 and not 24. But they wrote it poorly. Cripes man, an example would have made it so much easier, instead they tried to clarify it with words and just made it harder to understatnd. Actually, to further confuse things, the CW errata for supreme power attack uses the same +100% wording and includes an example which would indicate it's 36 not 18.
1hitparry 08-08-07, 10:11 PM	Are you serious? The new wording really doesn't help the matter. Thanks for the clarification.
fire-blade 08-09-07, 07:04 AM	if you subtract -6 you get 24 with leap attack. its clearly said in the errta you get +100% your normal bonus dmg the normal dmg for two handed weapon is 2 dmg for every point you subtract that mean's you get an extra 2 dmg for every point this mean: 1 point = 2 + 2 dmg = 4 6 * 4 = 24
Nezkrul 08-09-07, 11:35 AM	The erratta only changes the 2nd sentence of the benefit paragraph. The third sentence is unchanged, and it reads: "If you use this tactic with a two-handed weapon, you instead triple the extra damage from Power Attack." So unless there is an FAQ about this eratta that I'm missing: -1/+2 becomes -1/+6 with a great ax.
fire-blade 08-09-07, 02:47 PM	i thought he was using 1 handed weapon, i forgot he was using two handed weapon
Spikes01k 08-09-07, 03:02 PM	So if a one handed weapon used Leap Attack of 14 how much extra damage would he do??? P.S. OMDG I think I actually found a way that TWF actually works out for the better in some way! WOOT! So if I leap attack, with the proper feats, with two Bastard swords for 14 damage, I do an extra 56 points of damage, 28 points each hit. Where a two handed weapon does only 42. Is it worth the ecentually -4 to hit? IDK. Is it worth the huge amounts of extra costs for making two weapons instead of only paying for 1? no its not.
Frugal 08-09-07, 03:34 PM	The erratta only changes the 2nd sentence of the benefit paragraph. The third sentence is unchanged, and it reads: "If you use this tactic with a two-handed weapon, you instead triple the extra damage from Power Attack." So unless there is an FAQ about this eratta that I'm missing: -1/+2 becomes -1/+6 with a great ax. Except that makes it completely obscene, I'm pretty sure it's supposed to make it 2:1 for a one handed and 4:1 from a 2-hander. But I've seen cases made for 3:1, 4:1 and 6:1.
Spikes01k 08-10-07, 08:23 AM	Except that makes it completely obscene, I'm pretty sure it's supposed to make it 2:1 for a one handed and 4:1 from a 2-hander. But I've seen cases made for 3:1, 4:1 and 6:1. Leap attack is clearly supposed to do 2:1 (twice the damage than normal) for one handed and 3:1 for a two handed. This is obvious to give some balancing factor to a person who wields two one handed weapons. So finally you have some use where after a ton of feats you can get a 4:1 ratio when striking with two weapons. Grant it that theres a balancing factor that you need to actually hit with two weapons, but its a little more worth it. P.S. this is referring to the errata. Page 110: Leap Attack The second sentence of the Benefit paragraph should read as follows: If you cover at least 10 feet of horizontal distance with your jump, and you end your jump in a square from which you threaten your target, you deal +100% the normal bonus damage from your use of the Power Attack feat. It does not change the ratio of a two handed weapon which is actually pretty clearly 3:1 I am going to contact WoTC to end this once and for all!
Frugal 08-10-07, 08:47 AM	It does not change the ratio of a two handed weapon which is actually pretty clearly 3:1 I am going to contact WoTC to end this once and for all! Unfortunately, it's not clearly 3:1 since the unchanged setting says that the bonus damage is tripled, since a 2-handed weapon does a 2:1 payoff some argue this means leap attack makes it 6:1 (doesn't follow standard rules for multiplying multipliers since power attack doesn't list it as a multiplier). Or, you say the +100% language is supposed to apply to 2-handers as well so that makes it 4:1. See what I mean? I'd agree that 3:1 or 4:1 seem the most likely options but I really wish WOTC would clear this up, and the "+100% normal" language in the errata doesn't really help at all.
Spikes01k 08-10-07, 09:18 AM	Unfortunately, it's not clearly 3:1 since the unchanged setting says that the bonus damage is tripled, since a 2-handed weapon does a 2:1 payoff some argue this means leap attack makes it 6:1 (doesn't follow standard rules for multiplying multipliers since power attack doesn't list it as a multiplier). Or, you say the +100% language is supposed to apply to 2-handers as well so that makes it 4:1. See what I mean? I'd agree that 3:1 or 4:1 seem the most likely options but I really wish WOTC would clear this up, and the "+100% normal" language in the errata doesn't really help at all. Is it just me or does WoTC hate TWF and Power attack. I would like to see something redeem twf some where. Why do they hat twf so much.... I have sent an E-mail
Frugal 08-10-07, 09:23 AM	Is it just me or does WoTC hate TWF and Power attack. I would like to see something redeem twf some where. Why do they hat it so much.... Yeah, seems like they do, feat intensive, -2 penalties immediately puts it behind 2-handed, requires a full attack action to get the pay off (well, mitigated with, you guessed it, even more feats), etc.
Steely_Dan 08-10-07, 09:26 AM	Is it just me or does WoTC hate TWF and Power attack. I would like to see something redeem twf some where. Why do they hate it so much.... ...Drizzt.
Spikes01k 08-10-07, 12:30 PM	Yeah, seems like they do, feat intensive, -2 penalties immediately puts it behind 2-handed, requires a full attack action to get the pay off (well, mitigated with, you guessed it, even more feats), etc. You know I actually tried to call them, but they are closed for the weekend when their supposed to be open. WTF! I am not happy, this is horrible service.
Frugal 08-10-07, 12:44 PM	You know I actually tried to call them, but they are closed for the weekend when their supposed to be open. WTF! I am not happy, this is horrible service. From what I've heard, customer service is pretty unreliable for answers anyway, ask 3 times and you'll get 3 different answers.
Pechvarry 08-10-07, 01:49 PM	Drizzt is weak, as printed. And TWF is an anagram-of-acronyms for WTF.