looking for a bow feat. [Archive] - Wizards Community

looking for a bow feat. [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Dyax
10-15-07, 06:05 PM is there a feat that allows you to fire your bow at someone that is attacking you with a sword, and there standing right next to you, so you dont take attacks of opportunity when you fire your bow?

this is why i asked about shot on the run and rapid shot and many shot.
ShadowF
10-15-07, 06:15 PM No there isn't a feat that allows you to fire a bow that does not provoke an AoO when standing next to a melee combatant. Shot on the run allows you to move into a better position to fire then allow you to take cover, but it does not follow the same rules as spring attack. If you still move into a melee threaten square on shot on the run it still provokes AoO.

There is a feat however (cann't rember which book) Defensive archery that gives a +4 to defense when provoking an AoO using ranged weapons.
Operation_Shoestring
10-15-07, 06:17 PM is there a feat that allows you to fire your bow at someone that is attacking you with a sword and there standing right next to you?

this is why i asked about shot on the run.

You can do that without a feat, but suffer AoO's, iirc.

If you bow is a exotic weapon, a dip in Exotic Weapon master will give you a trick that lets you provoke no AoO's when using a ranged exotic weapon against an adjacent foe.
dman11235
10-15-07, 06:56 PM There is the epic feat Close Combat Shot, and the class feature for exotic weapon wasters and order of the bow initiates.
ToastedAmphibian
10-15-07, 07:52 PM You could also take a 5ft step. Or put more ranks in tumble, if yoru using a bow you probably have descent dex..... or Zen Archery I guess.......
Dyax
10-15-07, 11:28 PM There is the epic feat Close Combat Shot, and the class feature for exotic weapon wasters and order of the bow initiates.

i like those ideas, they both get a good BaB,the only question, is if i want to do the feat in 1 lvl exotic weapons master or 2 lvls order of the bow iniate although 1d8 damage is nice and a good will save also,hmmm.

Thanks, good idea.
Bopple
10-15-07, 11:33 PM OotBI's 1d8 damage is useless, because you cannot combine it with either Manyshot or Full-Attack(hence Rapid Shot, either).
Dyax
10-16-07, 01:35 AM OotBI's 1d8 damage is useless, because you cannot combine it with either Manyshot or Full-Attack(hence Rapid Shot, either).

so could i use the 1d8 damage from the, order of the bow initiate, with shot on the run feat?

and for that matter could i do my sneak attack damage while i do shot on the run?
dman11235
10-16-07, 01:37 AM Yeah. It's really good for single shot characters, however, single shot characters aren't usually that great, and find ways to get more shots a round. It's a trap. Plain and simple. You should choose which one would be better keeping in mind that the bonus damage would not be of use to you. Unless you are a scout that doesn't take greater manyshot. There is a really freaking awesome PrC, especially when coupled with OotBI, for archers from Ultimate Prestige Classes I called Master Bowman, but it's 3.0 and 3rd party.

EDIT: No, you can not use it with shot on the run, as it is a separate action, and not an attack action, much like many shot.
Dyax
10-16-07, 02:10 AM Yeah. It's really good for single shot characters, however, single shot characters aren't usually that great, and find ways to get more shots a round. It's a trap. Plain and simple. You should choose which one would be better keeping in mind that the bonus damage would not be of use to you. Unless you are a scout that doesn't take greater manyshot.

why wouldnt the bonus damage be any use to me unless im a scout?

i thought extra damage was always good,even if i get only 1 shot that round.

do you mean that i would be waisting my time tryin to get that feat?

by the way my char is a human 3rog/2rng/1fighter uses a bow of course.
Dyax
10-16-07, 02:14 AM Yeah. It's really good for single shot characters, however, single shot characters aren't usually that great, and find ways to get more shots a round. It's a trap. Plain and simple. You should choose which one would be better keeping in mind that the bonus damage would not be of use to you. Unless you are a scout ect...

EDIT: No, you can not use it with shot on the run, as it is a separate action, and not an attack action, much like many shot.

so i cant use my 1d8 damage from OotBI while i do shot on the run?

and i cant use my 1d6 damage from sneak attack while i do shot on the run?

i think im gunna have to start a new thread on this.
dman11235
10-16-07, 02:55 AM Not the precise shot from OotBI, but as long as you qualify for sneak attack, you get it. The thing is, you get SA on every attack that qualifies. The OotBI damage you get when you make a special standard action attack.
Dyax
10-16-07, 03:16 AM then im takin exotic weapons master.

I already got the bow the DM gave me this nifty atrifact the takes the form of any weapon i think of,and im turning 6th lvl so ill have the feat exotic weapon proficency and,instead of 1d8 ill do 1d10 from composite greatbow and still get the exotic weapon stunt,close-quarters ranged combat.

i geuss im not goin up in fighter

problem solved.

thanks
dman11235
10-16-07, 03:27 AM Oh, and what I was saying is that it would be of most use to you if you were a scout. All the skirmish d6 plus the d8s from OotBI. However, you can still get more damage with greater manyshot. Easily.
Talcon
10-16-07, 10:33 AM there is a spell that lets shoot things in melee with you and not give them AoO its in the spell compendium (1st level I think call Arrow Mind) I had a player ask if he can get bracers with it.
Prub
10-16-07, 10:56 AM yes arrow mind. Great spell. not only do you not provokle but you also threaten. can you say flank with a bow? :D
Dyax
10-16-07, 11:18 AM maybe i can get some scrolls, i wasnt gunna go up in spell caster,thats just whole new can of worms.but im tototaly gunna check this spell out

thanks
dman11235
10-16-07, 01:24 PM Since it lets you threaten in your reach: yes
key
10-16-07, 05:20 PM is there a feat that allows you to fire your bow at someone that is attacking you with a sword, and there standing right next to you, so you dont take attacks of opportunity when you fire your bow?

Combat Archery (http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/epicFeats.html#combat-archery)
Dyax
10-16-07, 05:38 PM Combat Archery (http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/epicFeats.html#combat-archery)

but im only lvl 6 and isnt that an epic feat? dont i need to be lvl 20+ to get this feat,if im wrong please correct me.
key
10-16-07, 05:59 PM but im only lvl 6 and isnt that an epic feat? dont i need to be lvl 20+ to get this feat,if im wrong please correct me.
No, you're right. I didn't know you needed something right away.
BruteSquad01
10-17-07, 01:06 PM is there a feat that allows you to fire your bow at someone that is attacking you with a sword, and there standing right next to you, so you dont take attacks of opportunity when you fire your bow?

Why don't you try, I don't know, killing them at range with your ranged weapon?

:D

Also, the 5 foot step thing works, too.
Operation_Shoestring
10-17-07, 04:00 PM wouldn't the 5 foot step provoke a AoO anyway, for leaving a threatened square?
dman11235
10-17-07, 04:45 PM No, 5' steps never do unless they state otherwise.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Dyax 10-15-07, 06:05 PM	is there a feat that allows you to fire your bow at someone that is attacking you with a sword, and there standing right next to you, so you dont take attacks of opportunity when you fire your bow? this is why i asked about shot on the run and rapid shot and many shot.
ShadowF 10-15-07, 06:15 PM	No there isn't a feat that allows you to fire a bow that does not provoke an AoO when standing next to a melee combatant. Shot on the run allows you to move into a better position to fire then allow you to take cover, but it does not follow the same rules as spring attack. If you still move into a melee threaten square on shot on the run it still provokes AoO. There is a feat however (cann't rember which book) Defensive archery that gives a +4 to defense when provoking an AoO using ranged weapons.
Operation_Shoestring 10-15-07, 06:17 PM	is there a feat that allows you to fire your bow at someone that is attacking you with a sword and there standing right next to you? this is why i asked about shot on the run. You can do that without a feat, but suffer AoO's, iirc. If you bow is a exotic weapon, a dip in Exotic Weapon master will give you a trick that lets you provoke no AoO's when using a ranged exotic weapon against an adjacent foe.
dman11235 10-15-07, 06:56 PM	There is the epic feat Close Combat Shot, and the class feature for exotic weapon wasters and order of the bow initiates.
ToastedAmphibian 10-15-07, 07:52 PM	You could also take a 5ft step. Or put more ranks in tumble, if yoru using a bow you probably have descent dex..... or Zen Archery I guess.......
Dyax 10-15-07, 11:28 PM	There is the epic feat Close Combat Shot, and the class feature for exotic weapon wasters and order of the bow initiates. i like those ideas, they both get a good BaB,the only question, is if i want to do the feat in 1 lvl exotic weapons master or 2 lvls order of the bow iniate although 1d8 damage is nice and a good will save also,hmmm. Thanks, good idea.
Bopple 10-15-07, 11:33 PM	OotBI's 1d8 damage is useless, because you cannot combine it with either Manyshot or Full-Attack(hence Rapid Shot, either).
Dyax 10-16-07, 01:35 AM	OotBI's 1d8 damage is useless, because you cannot combine it with either Manyshot or Full-Attack(hence Rapid Shot, either). so could i use the 1d8 damage from the, order of the bow initiate, with shot on the run feat? and for that matter could i do my sneak attack damage while i do shot on the run?
dman11235 10-16-07, 01:37 AM	Yeah. It's really good for single shot characters, however, single shot characters aren't usually that great, and find ways to get more shots a round. It's a trap. Plain and simple. You should choose which one would be better keeping in mind that the bonus damage would not be of use to you. Unless you are a scout that doesn't take greater manyshot. There is a really freaking awesome PrC, especially when coupled with OotBI, for archers from Ultimate Prestige Classes I called Master Bowman, but it's 3.0 and 3rd party. EDIT: No, you can not use it with shot on the run, as it is a separate action, and not an attack action, much like many shot.
Dyax 10-16-07, 02:10 AM	Yeah. It's really good for single shot characters, however, single shot characters aren't usually that great, and find ways to get more shots a round. It's a trap. Plain and simple. You should choose which one would be better keeping in mind that the bonus damage would not be of use to you. Unless you are a scout that doesn't take greater manyshot. why wouldnt the bonus damage be any use to me unless im a scout? i thought extra damage was always good,even if i get only 1 shot that round. do you mean that i would be waisting my time tryin to get that feat? by the way my char is a human 3rog/2rng/1fighter uses a bow of course.
Dyax 10-16-07, 02:14 AM	Yeah. It's really good for single shot characters, however, single shot characters aren't usually that great, and find ways to get more shots a round. It's a trap. Plain and simple. You should choose which one would be better keeping in mind that the bonus damage would not be of use to you. Unless you are a scout ect... EDIT: No, you can not use it with shot on the run, as it is a separate action, and not an attack action, much like many shot. so i cant use my 1d8 damage from OotBI while i do shot on the run? and i cant use my 1d6 damage from sneak attack while i do shot on the run? i think im gunna have to start a new thread on this.
dman11235 10-16-07, 02:55 AM	Not the precise shot from OotBI, but as long as you qualify for sneak attack, you get it. The thing is, you get SA on every attack that qualifies. The OotBI damage you get when you make a special standard action attack.
Dyax 10-16-07, 03:16 AM	then im takin exotic weapons master. I already got the bow the DM gave me this nifty atrifact the takes the form of any weapon i think of,and im turning 6th lvl so ill have the feat exotic weapon proficency and,instead of 1d8 ill do 1d10 from composite greatbow and still get the exotic weapon stunt,close-quarters ranged combat. i geuss im not goin up in fighter problem solved. thanks
dman11235 10-16-07, 03:27 AM	Oh, and what I was saying is that it would be of most use to you if you were a scout. All the skirmish d6 plus the d8s from OotBI. However, you can still get more damage with greater manyshot. Easily.
Talcon 10-16-07, 10:33 AM	there is a spell that lets shoot things in melee with you and not give them AoO its in the spell compendium (1st level I think call Arrow Mind) I had a player ask if he can get bracers with it.
Prub 10-16-07, 10:56 AM	yes arrow mind. Great spell. not only do you not provokle but you also threaten. can you say flank with a bow? :D
Dyax 10-16-07, 11:18 AM	maybe i can get some scrolls, i wasnt gunna go up in spell caster,thats just whole new can of worms.but im tototaly gunna check this spell out thanks
dman11235 10-16-07, 01:24 PM	Since it lets you threaten in your reach: yes
key 10-16-07, 05:20 PM	is there a feat that allows you to fire your bow at someone that is attacking you with a sword, and there standing right next to you, so you dont take attacks of opportunity when you fire your bow? Combat Archery (http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/epicFeats.html#combat-archery)
Dyax 10-16-07, 05:38 PM	Combat Archery (http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/epicFeats.html#combat-archery) but im only lvl 6 and isnt that an epic feat? dont i need to be lvl 20+ to get this feat,if im wrong please correct me.
key 10-16-07, 05:59 PM	but im only lvl 6 and isnt that an epic feat? dont i need to be lvl 20+ to get this feat,if im wrong please correct me. No, you're right. I didn't know you needed something right away.
BruteSquad01 10-17-07, 01:06 PM	is there a feat that allows you to fire your bow at someone that is attacking you with a sword, and there standing right next to you, so you dont take attacks of opportunity when you fire your bow? Why don't you try, I don't know, killing them at range with your ranged weapon? :D Also, the 5 foot step thing works, too.
Operation_Shoestring 10-17-07, 04:00 PM	wouldn't the 5 foot step provoke a AoO anyway, for leaving a threatened square?
dman11235 10-17-07, 04:45 PM	No, 5' steps never do unless they state otherwise.