Lyric Spell and metamagic feats [Archive] - Wizards Community

Lyric Spell and metamagic feats [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Alamanther's comeback
06-20-07, 10:30 AM I've been reading the description of the Lyric Spell feat and considering if there's any official ruling on the application of metamagic. For instance, can a 12th level bard burn 8 daily uses of his bardic music to cast disguise self with the Persistent Spell metamagic feat applied to it?

The description of the feat strongly implies that metamagic feats can be applied (Silent Spell excluded, of course), and it makes no mention of any limitation on how many daily uses of bardic music you choose to spend.

I have no problem with this (and I feel that the possibilities for abuse are somewhat limited), but if there's any offical word against my reading, I'd like to know. :)
tarkin
06-20-07, 10:47 AM I would say yes.

Note, this mechanism is in fact safer than the much maligned Divine Metamagic system because it requires you to also pay for the spell itself. This runs through the music uses quicker, making it more balanced.
Alamanther's comeback
06-20-07, 11:11 AM Note, this mechanism is in fact safer than the much maligned Divine Metamagic system because it requires you to also pay for the spell itself. This runs through the music uses quicker, making it more balanced.

I agree, and this is what I meant when I said that the possibilities for abuse are somewhat limited. Wanna do a twinned, maximized greater shout? That's 14 daily uses of bardic music, thank you. One big bang, and thank you for the music - you won't be doing much else with your class feature that day.

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Alamanther's comeback 06-20-07, 10:30 AM	I've been reading the description of the Lyric Spell feat and considering if there's any official ruling on the application of metamagic. For instance, can a 12th level bard burn 8 daily uses of his bardic music to cast disguise self with the Persistent Spell metamagic feat applied to it? The description of the feat strongly implies that metamagic feats can be applied (Silent Spell excluded, of course), and it makes no mention of any limitation on how many daily uses of bardic music you choose to spend. I have no problem with this (and I feel that the possibilities for abuse are somewhat limited), but if there's any offical word against my reading, I'd like to know. :)
tarkin 06-20-07, 10:47 AM	I would say yes. Note, this mechanism is in fact safer than the much maligned Divine Metamagic system because it requires you to also pay for the spell itself. This runs through the music uses quicker, making it more balanced.
Alamanther's comeback 06-20-07, 11:11 AM	Note, this mechanism is in fact safer than the much maligned Divine Metamagic system because it requires you to also pay for the spell itself. This runs through the music uses quicker, making it more balanced. I agree, and this is what I meant when I said that the possibilities for abuse are somewhat limited. Wanna do a twinned, maximized greater shout? That's 14 daily uses of bardic music, thank you. One big bang, and thank you for the music - you won't be doing much else with your class feature that day.