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Make Me Immortal [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Leaflitter
12-10-07, 09:17 AM I want an immortal character. i just read that there might be a feat that does this. if there is what book/magazine is it in?

i want to make an immortal human so no other race options please.

if there is no feat that does this. then my challenge to you is to make a feat like Timeless body but with no max age restrictions.

(thanks to TheDarkPrince and Finfreeze for the ideas)
NoldorForce
12-10-07, 09:52 AM No such feat exists, except perhaps at Dicefreaks (http://projectdf.phpbbnow.com/index.php?sid=690cb6c126ec27ebd690a6d621 13db04). (They'd moved about after a server crash or some such accident.) The closest thing you'll see in official rules is Extended Life Span (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/feats.htm#extendedLifeSpan).
Mindolin
12-10-07, 10:24 AM Check the dragon magazine with the modrons. They have feats for "Ancient PCs" which is pretty much making them immune to aging as a special ability. Alternately, find a Lich Bard. They live pretty much forever, so get them to sing about you a couple times and you have been immortalized in song.
Grumman
12-10-07, 10:46 AM There's a prestige class in Frostburn which makes you immortal at 10th level (Cloud Anchorite). There's also a prestige class in Eberron (Faiths of Eberron, if I recall) that lets you add years to your life when you kill things. There are also the options of becoming a construct, living construct, outsider or undead by various means.

Do a search, there have been threads in the past about the different ways to become immortal.
Etarnon
12-10-07, 10:50 AM D & D Immortals Set. From about 20 years ago.
Orenmir
12-10-07, 01:04 PM I want an immortal character.

What exactly do you mean by "immortal?" If you mean a character that will simply never die, you won't find it. Any sane DM would never allow it. Plus... Why? Without the possibility of death, your game would get very boring -- role-playing and roll-playing.
InkBlot
12-10-07, 03:47 PM Play an elan, from the Expanded Psionics Handbook. They're immortal, and have no LA or racial HD.

If you're playing the character already, then you can become an elan so long as you're human. The process will revert your character to a 1st level blank slate, and it's mostly up to DM fiat, but it should work.
Leaflitter
12-10-07, 09:11 PM No such feat exists, except perhaps at Dicefreaks (http://projectdf.phpbbnow.com/index.php?sid=690cb6c126ec27ebd690a6d621 13db04). (They'd moved about after a server crash or some such accident.) The closest thing you'll see in official rules is Extended Life Span (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/feats.htm#extendedLifeSpan).

i looked at the dicefreaks and immediately got lost but good idea
as for the extended life span its ok but not really what im looking for

Check the dragon magazine with the modrons. They have feats for "Ancient PCs" which is pretty much making them immune to aging as a special ability. Alternately, find a Lich Bard. They live pretty much forever, so get them to sing about you a couple times and you have been immortalized in song.

funny, lich bard, good idea. modrons helpful but until i get some cash or get to a store i cant use it

There's a prestige class in Frostburn which makes you immortal at 10th level (Cloud Anchorite). There's also a prestige class in Eberron (Faiths of Eberron, if I recall) that lets you add years to your life when you kill things. There are also the options of becoming a construct, living construct, outsider or undead by various means.

Do a search, there have been threads in the past about the different ways to become immortal.

my friend has eberron stuff so ill see if i can find it in there.

as for searches im horrible at that. way to many options that dont remotely relate to what im actually looking for. if i could use it then i wouldn't of put up this post

What exactly do you mean by "immortal?" If you mean a character that will simply never die, you won't find it. Any sane DM would never allow it. Plus... Why? Without the possibility of death, your game would get very boring -- role-playing and roll-playing.

i like playing powerful characters that dont end up doing much help. and having an immortal character that is a daydreamer would be fun. (dont worry i still help out the group im not trying to be a dick) the idea of death would be pointless but all a good DM would have to do is help to figure out ways to make a feat that would help out with that (like i asked in the first post) so it would be like a vampire or a lich. eternal entrapment would be a good deterrent to do something and that could be like death. also i was thinking about a mechien that makes some one immortal. so all that would have to be done is take out the machine and the PC is mortal again.
Artector
12-10-07, 09:53 PM Work with your DM. Right now something involving the Philosopher's Stone or the Fountain of Youth sounds pretty neat. If you want to be just immortal it really won't break the game, you won't be invincible.

And now I've also thought about Jack Harkness from Doctor Who...
Suspect_Unusual
12-10-07, 10:10 PM i like playing powerful characters that dont end up doing much help. and having an immortal character that is a daydreamer would be fun. (dont worry i still help out the group im not trying to be a dick) the idea of death would be pointless but all a good DM would have to do is help to figure out ways to make a feat that would help out with that (like i asked in the first post) so it would be like a vampire or a lich. eternal entrapment would be a good deterrent to do something and that could be like death. also i was thinking about a mechien that makes some one immortal. so all that would have to be done is take out the machine and the PC is mortal again.

I don't think Wizards of the Coasts puts out material balanced around that sort of gameplay - when they put out a PrC, they balance it for a character putting forth his full effort in making sure the game goes smoothly.

If what I gather is correct - that you want a character that not only lives forever, but cannot be killed by direct physical damage (ala Dorian Gray in The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen) - then WotC material isn't going to provide you a methodology without a LOT of optimization and/or rules-bending and/or rules cheesing. It simply is NOT balanced to be effectively immune to death with the sole weakness of Plot Device, since the DM is either left unable to effectively challenge you or is forced to use Plot Device, at which point your character isn't really given a fighting chance.

If you want that sort of character, you'll simply HAVE to go to your DM for approval and methodology. Nothing short of extreme Optimization-fu is going to get you the "unkillable" immortal in a way that's not going to leave your DM looking quizzically for a minute, shrugging, and telling you to roll up a new character and to stop being silly.
Fireclave
12-10-07, 10:27 PM Wanna live forever? Then you'll need two, possibly three things:
1)Reincarnate
2)Contingency or Craft Contingent Spell (if duplicating Reincarnate with Wish or Limited Wish)
3)Wish

Make Reincarnate contingent to go into effect upon your death and kill yourself before you natural lifespan is up. Reincarnate will put you into a new (random), young adult body. Congrats. You now have another lifetime to live.

If you don't like the new body Reincarnate gave you, cast Wish to revert back to your original form.
Artector
12-10-07, 10:32 PM Wanna live forever? Then you'll need two, possibly three things:
1)Reincarnate
2)Contingency or Craft Contingent Spell (if duplicating Reincarnate with Wish or Limited Wish)
3)Wish

Make Reincarnate contingent to go into effect upon your death and kill yourself before you natural lifespan is up. Reincarnate will put you into a new (random), young adult body. Congrats. You now have another lifetime to live.

If you don't like the new body Reincarnate gave you, cast Wish to revert back to your original form.

Or polymorph any object. It should get you to whatever form you want 90% of the time without the XP cost.
Phelf_Der_Zemit
12-10-07, 10:41 PM Clone, Wish, and what not.

Wish for an elves life span, or demon, or whatever.

Oh and with the lich bard, make his song of choice be a whistle. Thats just creepy.. asleep at night, listening... listening... *whistling*, oh snap, big bad lich, AHAHAHAHAH.
Orenmir
12-10-07, 11:07 PM I think there's a fundamental problem with the OP's request... "Immortal" has 2 different definitions:

1. The ability to live for ever.
2. Unable to die.

#1 refers to something like Tolkien's elves from LotR. They could live forever - no death from disease or health complication. Yet, the can die - say, physical trauma from a sword through the chest.

#2 refers to Conner MacLeod from Highlander. Physical trauma, disease, you-name-it... nothing would kill him (save decapitation from another immortal).

These two are not equal. Just because you have the ability to do something doesn't mean you can or will.
Leaflitter
12-10-07, 11:29 PM 1. The ability to live for ever.
2. Unable to die.

lets go with #1. because if all ells fails i can just make my character have a really high con and boost his health to deal with damage.

still lets make sure that the character is human. (just dont want to end up too fare off the main idea)

:dancin: good advice everyone:cheer:

soon my plan will come together:evillaugh :evillaugh
Fireclave
12-10-07, 11:49 PM Or polymorph any object. It should get you to whatever form you want 90% of the time without the XP cost.
PAO may not work in this regard because it is permanent, not instantaneous in duration. You are still X creature, but now you are X creature inside of Y body. Depending on your interpretation of polymorph effects, PAO may or may not grant you the lifespan of the form you choose. I'm in the camp that it does not affect your lifespan, but I can see how it can be argued otherwise.

Either way, I wouldn't want to rely on PAO for immortality since it will eventually turn Dispel Magic and its variants very annoying save-or-dies.

Reincarnate, by RAW, does regress your age to young adult and, in effect, makes you live longer.
Salla
12-11-07, 12:33 AM If you just want to be unaging, then y'know, BANG, there you go, since it's functionally meaningless. No D&D character ever dies of old age. You don't get the penalties as you get older, but you don't get the bonuses either.
katarl
12-11-07, 08:14 AM Ah, a hidden life psionic dry lich elan with extended life span, levels in green star adept, lich ceremony feats and kissed by the ages. Then make a faustian pact, take infernal life feat, wish, apply unguent of ages inside and out, and a permanent gentle repose, timeless body and extremely famous, with a divine rank of 0, sitting on the astral plane.

Aging? What's that?
Fireclave
12-11-07, 09:28 AM Ah, a hidden life psionic dry lich elan with extended life span, levels in green star adept, lich ceremony feats and kissed by the ages. Then make a faustian pact, take infernal life feat, wish, apply unguent of ages inside and out, and a permanent gentle repose, timeless body and extremely famous, with a divine rank of 0, sitting on the astral plane.

You forgot to make serveral clones of yourself and preserve them with Shrink Item (when you die and your soul travels into one of your clones, they're no longer a valid target for Shrink Item and, BAM, instant body), and then make clones of the un-aged clones as needed.
katarl
12-11-07, 09:38 AM You forgot to make serveral clones of yourself and preserve them with Shrink Item (when you die and your soul travels into one of your clones, they're no longer a valid target for Shrink Item and, BAM, instant body), and then make clones of the un-aged clones as needed.

Would that even work? I know what i'd do if I were dm. Read Lewis Carroll?
Fireclave
12-11-07, 11:10 AM Would that even work?
I think it would. Shrink Item only works on objects, and when your soul returns to a currently shrunken clone-body, the body is no longer a valid target for the spell since it's now a creature. And it's arguable that a body stored in a cloth-like state would not sufferer from the normal effects of decay since decomposers cannot attack the body directly.

I know what i'd do if I were dm. Read Lewis Carroll?
No, I haven't. But I lol'ed after a quick wikipedia search. (Un?)Fortunately, any spellcaster with the resources to try a stunt like this is far past the point of being able to cast Dispel Magic. So even if you did rule that way, it wouldn't matter all that much in the long run (unless it was a now book-less wizard who bit the dust).
Legdiwena
12-11-07, 01:47 PM Shrink to enter the Land of Jabberwocky?
Suspect_Unusual
12-11-07, 02:09 PM Fireclave:
I think it would. Shrink Item only works on objects, and when your soul returns to a currently shrunken clone-body, the body is no longer a valid target for the spell since it's now a creature. And it's arguable that a body stored in a cloth-like state would not sufferer from the normal effects of decay since decomposers cannot attack the body directly.

I'm fairly sure a spell's target is only checked when the spell is cast, not continuously. I'm unable to find the passage in the SRD, however, so unless someone can provide text one way or another, take this with a grain of salt.

The non-decomposition would probably work ok, though.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Leaflitter 12-10-07, 09:17 AM	I want an immortal character. i just read that there might be a feat that does this. if there is what book/magazine is it in? i want to make an immortal human so no other race options please. if there is no feat that does this. then my challenge to you is to make a feat like Timeless body but with no max age restrictions. (thanks to TheDarkPrince and Finfreeze for the ideas)
NoldorForce 12-10-07, 09:52 AM	No such feat exists, except perhaps at Dicefreaks (http://projectdf.phpbbnow.com/index.php?sid=690cb6c126ec27ebd690a6d621 13db04). (They'd moved about after a server crash or some such accident.) The closest thing you'll see in official rules is Extended Life Span (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/feats.htm#extendedLifeSpan).
Mindolin 12-10-07, 10:24 AM	Check the dragon magazine with the modrons. They have feats for "Ancient PCs" which is pretty much making them immune to aging as a special ability. Alternately, find a Lich Bard. They live pretty much forever, so get them to sing about you a couple times and you have been immortalized in song.
Grumman 12-10-07, 10:46 AM	There's a prestige class in Frostburn which makes you immortal at 10th level (Cloud Anchorite). There's also a prestige class in Eberron (Faiths of Eberron, if I recall) that lets you add years to your life when you kill things. There are also the options of becoming a construct, living construct, outsider or undead by various means. Do a search, there have been threads in the past about the different ways to become immortal.
Etarnon 12-10-07, 10:50 AM	D & D Immortals Set. From about 20 years ago.
Orenmir 12-10-07, 01:04 PM	I want an immortal character. What exactly do you mean by "immortal?" If you mean a character that will simply never die, you won't find it. Any sane DM would never allow it. Plus... Why? Without the possibility of death, your game would get very boring -- role-playing and roll-playing.
InkBlot 12-10-07, 03:47 PM	Play an elan, from the Expanded Psionics Handbook. They're immortal, and have no LA or racial HD. If you're playing the character already, then you can become an elan so long as you're human. The process will revert your character to a 1st level blank slate, and it's mostly up to DM fiat, but it should work.
Leaflitter 12-10-07, 09:11 PM	No such feat exists, except perhaps at Dicefreaks (http://projectdf.phpbbnow.com/index.php?sid=690cb6c126ec27ebd690a6d621 13db04). (They'd moved about after a server crash or some such accident.) The closest thing you'll see in official rules is Extended Life Span (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/feats.htm#extendedLifeSpan). i looked at the dicefreaks and immediately got lost but good idea as for the extended life span its ok but not really what im looking for Check the dragon magazine with the modrons. They have feats for "Ancient PCs" which is pretty much making them immune to aging as a special ability. Alternately, find a Lich Bard. They live pretty much forever, so get them to sing about you a couple times and you have been immortalized in song. funny, lich bard, good idea. modrons helpful but until i get some cash or get to a store i cant use it There's a prestige class in Frostburn which makes you immortal at 10th level (Cloud Anchorite). There's also a prestige class in Eberron (Faiths of Eberron, if I recall) that lets you add years to your life when you kill things. There are also the options of becoming a construct, living construct, outsider or undead by various means. Do a search, there have been threads in the past about the different ways to become immortal. my friend has eberron stuff so ill see if i can find it in there. as for searches im horrible at that. way to many options that dont remotely relate to what im actually looking for. if i could use it then i wouldn't of put up this post What exactly do you mean by "immortal?" If you mean a character that will simply never die, you won't find it. Any sane DM would never allow it. Plus... Why? Without the possibility of death, your game would get very boring -- role-playing and roll-playing. i like playing powerful characters that dont end up doing much help. and having an immortal character that is a daydreamer would be fun. (dont worry i still help out the group im not trying to be a dick) the idea of death would be pointless but all a good DM would have to do is help to figure out ways to make a feat that would help out with that (like i asked in the first post) so it would be like a vampire or a lich. eternal entrapment would be a good deterrent to do something and that could be like death. also i was thinking about a mechien that makes some one immortal. so all that would have to be done is take out the machine and the PC is mortal again.
Artector 12-10-07, 09:53 PM	Work with your DM. Right now something involving the Philosopher's Stone or the Fountain of Youth sounds pretty neat. If you want to be just immortal it really won't break the game, you won't be invincible. And now I've also thought about Jack Harkness from Doctor Who...
Suspect_Unusual 12-10-07, 10:10 PM	i like playing powerful characters that dont end up doing much help. and having an immortal character that is a daydreamer would be fun. (dont worry i still help out the group im not trying to be a dick) the idea of death would be pointless but all a good DM would have to do is help to figure out ways to make a feat that would help out with that (like i asked in the first post) so it would be like a vampire or a lich. eternal entrapment would be a good deterrent to do something and that could be like death. also i was thinking about a mechien that makes some one immortal. so all that would have to be done is take out the machine and the PC is mortal again. I don't think Wizards of the Coasts puts out material balanced around that sort of gameplay - when they put out a PrC, they balance it for a character putting forth his full effort in making sure the game goes smoothly. If what I gather is correct - that you want a character that not only lives forever, but cannot be killed by direct physical damage (ala Dorian Gray in The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen) - then WotC material isn't going to provide you a methodology without a LOT of optimization and/or rules-bending and/or rules cheesing. It simply is NOT balanced to be effectively immune to death with the sole weakness of Plot Device, since the DM is either left unable to effectively challenge you or is forced to use Plot Device, at which point your character isn't really given a fighting chance. If you want that sort of character, you'll simply HAVE to go to your DM for approval and methodology. Nothing short of extreme Optimization-fu is going to get you the "unkillable" immortal in a way that's not going to leave your DM looking quizzically for a minute, shrugging, and telling you to roll up a new character and to stop being silly.
Fireclave 12-10-07, 10:27 PM	Wanna live forever? Then you'll need two, possibly three things: 1)Reincarnate 2)Contingency or Craft Contingent Spell (if duplicating Reincarnate with Wish or Limited Wish) 3)Wish Make Reincarnate contingent to go into effect upon your death and kill yourself before you natural lifespan is up. Reincarnate will put you into a new (random), young adult body. Congrats. You now have another lifetime to live. If you don't like the new body Reincarnate gave you, cast Wish to revert back to your original form.
Artector 12-10-07, 10:32 PM	Wanna live forever? Then you'll need two, possibly three things: 1)Reincarnate 2)Contingency or Craft Contingent Spell (if duplicating Reincarnate with Wish or Limited Wish) 3)Wish Make Reincarnate contingent to go into effect upon your death and kill yourself before you natural lifespan is up. Reincarnate will put you into a new (random), young adult body. Congrats. You now have another lifetime to live. If you don't like the new body Reincarnate gave you, cast Wish to revert back to your original form. Or polymorph any object. It should get you to whatever form you want 90% of the time without the XP cost.
Phelf_Der_Zemit 12-10-07, 10:41 PM	Clone, Wish, and what not. Wish for an elves life span, or demon, or whatever. Oh and with the lich bard, make his song of choice be a whistle. Thats just creepy.. asleep at night, listening... listening... whistling, oh snap, big bad lich, AHAHAHAHAH.
Orenmir 12-10-07, 11:07 PM	I think there's a fundamental problem with the OP's request... "Immortal" has 2 different definitions: 1. The ability to live for ever. 2. Unable to die. #1 refers to something like Tolkien's elves from LotR. They could live forever - no death from disease or health complication. Yet, the can die - say, physical trauma from a sword through the chest. #2 refers to Conner MacLeod from Highlander. Physical trauma, disease, you-name-it... nothing would kill him (save decapitation from another immortal). These two are not equal. Just because you have the ability to do something doesn't mean you can or will.
Leaflitter 12-10-07, 11:29 PM	1. The ability to live for ever. 2. Unable to die. lets go with #1. because if all ells fails i can just make my character have a really high con and boost his health to deal with damage. still lets make sure that the character is human. (just dont want to end up too fare off the main idea) :dancin: good advice everyone:cheer: soon my plan will come together:evillaugh :evillaugh
Fireclave 12-10-07, 11:49 PM	Or polymorph any object. It should get you to whatever form you want 90% of the time without the XP cost. PAO may not work in this regard because it is permanent, not instantaneous in duration. You are still X creature, but now you are X creature inside of Y body. Depending on your interpretation of polymorph effects, PAO may or may not grant you the lifespan of the form you choose. I'm in the camp that it does not affect your lifespan, but I can see how it can be argued otherwise. Either way, I wouldn't want to rely on PAO for immortality since it will eventually turn Dispel Magic and its variants very annoying save-or-dies. Reincarnate, by RAW, does regress your age to young adult and, in effect, makes you live longer.
Salla 12-11-07, 12:33 AM	If you just want to be unaging, then y'know, BANG, there you go, since it's functionally meaningless. No D&D character ever dies of old age. You don't get the penalties as you get older, but you don't get the bonuses either.
katarl 12-11-07, 08:14 AM	Ah, a hidden life psionic dry lich elan with extended life span, levels in green star adept, lich ceremony feats and kissed by the ages. Then make a faustian pact, take infernal life feat, wish, apply unguent of ages inside and out, and a permanent gentle repose, timeless body and extremely famous, with a divine rank of 0, sitting on the astral plane. Aging? What's that?
Fireclave 12-11-07, 09:28 AM	Ah, a hidden life psionic dry lich elan with extended life span, levels in green star adept, lich ceremony feats and kissed by the ages. Then make a faustian pact, take infernal life feat, wish, apply unguent of ages inside and out, and a permanent gentle repose, timeless body and extremely famous, with a divine rank of 0, sitting on the astral plane. You forgot to make serveral clones of yourself and preserve them with Shrink Item (when you die and your soul travels into one of your clones, they're no longer a valid target for Shrink Item and, BAM, instant body), and then make clones of the un-aged clones as needed.
katarl 12-11-07, 09:38 AM	You forgot to make serveral clones of yourself and preserve them with Shrink Item (when you die and your soul travels into one of your clones, they're no longer a valid target for Shrink Item and, BAM, instant body), and then make clones of the un-aged clones as needed. Would that even work? I know what i'd do if I were dm. Read Lewis Carroll?
Fireclave 12-11-07, 11:10 AM	Would that even work? I think it would. Shrink Item only works on objects, and when your soul returns to a currently shrunken clone-body, the body is no longer a valid target for the spell since it's now a creature. And it's arguable that a body stored in a cloth-like state would not sufferer from the normal effects of decay since decomposers cannot attack the body directly. I know what i'd do if I were dm. Read Lewis Carroll? No, I haven't. But I lol'ed after a quick wikipedia search. (Un?)Fortunately, any spellcaster with the resources to try a stunt like this is far past the point of being able to cast Dispel Magic. So even if you did rule that way, it wouldn't matter all that much in the long run (unless it was a now book-less wizard who bit the dust).
Legdiwena 12-11-07, 01:47 PM	Shrink to enter the Land of Jabberwocky?
Suspect_Unusual 12-11-07, 02:09 PM	Fireclave: I think it would. Shrink Item only works on objects, and when your soul returns to a currently shrunken clone-body, the body is no longer a valid target for the spell since it's now a creature. And it's arguable that a body stored in a cloth-like state would not sufferer from the normal effects of decay since decomposers cannot attack the body directly. I'm fairly sure a spell's target is only checked when the spell is cast, not continuously. I'm unable to find the passage in the SRD, however, so unless someone can provide text one way or another, take this with a grain of salt. The non-decomposition would probably work ok, though.