Martial Subdual (feedback needed) [Archive] - Wizards Community

Martial Subdual (feedback needed) [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Fork
08-17-07, 06:44 PM Hi i "created" the following feat

Martial Subdual [Exalted] (Have a better name? Tell me)
Pre-req: Subduing Strike, Martial Lore(5 Ranks)
Benefit: You choose one martial Discipline, any kind of damage dealt by maneuvers of that discipline is treated as non-lethal.
Special: You may take this Feat more than once, every time you take it, choose a different discipline.

Based on the feats:
Holy Subdual[Exalted]
You can turn bonus damage into nonlethal damage.
Prerequisites: Subduing Strike.
Benefit: When you use your weapon to deal nonlethal damage, you can also transform bonus damage from a holy weapon, your smite evil class ability, or your smite granted power into nonlethal damage.
Special: A fighter may select Holy Subdual as one of his fighter bonus feats.

NONLETHAL SUBSTITUTION [METAMAGIC]
You can modify a spell that uses energy to deal damage to deal nonlethal damage instead.
Prerequisites: Any other metamagic feat, Knowledge (arcana) 5 ranks.
Benefit: Choose one type of energy: acid, cold, electricity, fire, or sonic. You can modify a spell with the chosen designator to deal nonlethal damage instead of energy damage. The altered spell works normally in all respects except the type of damage dealt. For example, a nonlethal fireball spell works in the usual way except it deals nonlethal damage instead of fire damage. A nonlethal spell uses a spell slot of the spell’s normal level, modified by any other metamagic feats.
Salla
08-17-07, 07:58 PM I'm pretty sure that if you're dealing nonlethal damage with a weapon, and perform a maneuver, the maneuver damage is also nonlethal.
Fork
08-17-07, 08:49 PM Well this is mostly intended for those maneuvers that deal fire(and other types) damage. My DM tells me there is no way to make fire damage non-lethal.
Salla
08-17-07, 09:01 PM Well this is mostly intended for those maneuvers that deal fire(and other types) damage. My DM tells me there is no way to make fire damage non-lethal.

Hmm. I suppose he has something of a point there. The metamagic feat Nonlethal Substitution specifically changes the spell *from* energy to Nonlethal.

I could see a nonlethal Desert Wind power being heat, rather than flame itself ... it would just knock you out instead of killing you.
Fork
08-17-07, 09:10 PM I could see a nonlethal Desert Wind power being heat, rather than flame itself ... it would just knock you out instead of killing you.

Yeap, that's the point. At the same time i proposed this feat to my DM. To see what he says. I am expecting a big 'NO', but miracles are known to happen from time to time.

If he doesn't allow it, well its picking new maneuvers all the way.
Fork
08-18-07, 06:46 PM Come one guys, give some feed back is it good or bad?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Fork 08-17-07, 06:44 PM	Hi i "created" the following feat Martial Subdual [Exalted] (Have a better name? Tell me) Pre-req: Subduing Strike, Martial Lore(5 Ranks) Benefit: You choose one martial Discipline, any kind of damage dealt by maneuvers of that discipline is treated as non-lethal. Special: You may take this Feat more than once, every time you take it, choose a different discipline. Based on the feats: Holy Subdual[Exalted] You can turn bonus damage into nonlethal damage. Prerequisites: Subduing Strike. Benefit: When you use your weapon to deal nonlethal damage, you can also transform bonus damage from a holy weapon, your smite evil class ability, or your smite granted power into nonlethal damage. Special: A fighter may select Holy Subdual as one of his fighter bonus feats. NONLETHAL SUBSTITUTION [METAMAGIC] You can modify a spell that uses energy to deal damage to deal nonlethal damage instead. Prerequisites: Any other metamagic feat, Knowledge (arcana) 5 ranks. Benefit: Choose one type of energy: acid, cold, electricity, fire, or sonic. You can modify a spell with the chosen designator to deal nonlethal damage instead of energy damage. The altered spell works normally in all respects except the type of damage dealt. For example, a nonlethal fireball spell works in the usual way except it deals nonlethal damage instead of fire damage. A nonlethal spell uses a spell slot of the spell’s normal level, modified by any other metamagic feats.
Salla 08-17-07, 07:58 PM	I'm pretty sure that if you're dealing nonlethal damage with a weapon, and perform a maneuver, the maneuver damage is also nonlethal.
Fork 08-17-07, 08:49 PM	Well this is mostly intended for those maneuvers that deal fire(and other types) damage. My DM tells me there is no way to make fire damage non-lethal.
Salla 08-17-07, 09:01 PM	Well this is mostly intended for those maneuvers that deal fire(and other types) damage. My DM tells me there is no way to make fire damage non-lethal. Hmm. I suppose he has something of a point there. The metamagic feat Nonlethal Substitution specifically changes the spell from energy to Nonlethal. I could see a nonlethal Desert Wind power being heat, rather than flame itself ... it would just knock you out instead of killing you.
Fork 08-17-07, 09:10 PM	I could see a nonlethal Desert Wind power being heat, rather than flame itself ... it would just knock you out instead of killing you. Yeap, that's the point. At the same time i proposed this feat to my DM. To see what he says. I am expecting a big 'NO', but miracles are known to happen from time to time. If he doesn't allow it, well its picking new maneuvers all the way.
Fork 08-18-07, 06:46 PM	Come one guys, give some feed back is it good or bad?