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Darryl_Licke 08-20-07, 11:25 PM	Here are a few I thought of at work today when I should of been doing...work. Please tell me if they are actually possible: Spring Attack + Tumble Sprng Attack + Acrobatic Strike (PHBII) Spring Attack + Tumble + Acrobatic Backstab (Complete Scoundrel) Spring Attack + Shadow Striker(specifically fade away) (Complete Scoundrel) I currently have a high dex (20) rogue build that will be taking ShadowDancer. Tumble, Move Silently, and Hide are all maxed. No boots of speed just yet but now that I've mentioned that you cna probably see where I'm going with this build. I'm not trying to optimize but see if these combinations are feasible and the feats/skills stack.
ibayboy 08-21-07, 01:48 AM	Spring Attack is just splitting your normal movement with an attack. So any skills, feats, or skill tricks that are done as part of normal movement can be used with SpA. However one you mentioned, Acrobatic Backstab, requires you to avoid an AoO using tumble. If your target of SpA is the same target for Acrobatic Backstab, then you never provoke in the first place,so can't use the skill trick.
Nom 08-21-07, 11:25 PM	Tumble with Spring Attack is quite legal, but only useful against 3rd parties or if you intend to move through your target's square.
Darryl_Licke 08-22-07, 12:59 AM	Tumble with Spring Attack is quite legal, but only useful against 3rd parties or if you intend to move through your target's square. and if I tumble successfully, I could do the acrobatic backstab...and then keep moving right? if so.....exxxxxxxxxxcellent. :cool:
ibayboy 08-22-07, 03:02 AM	and if I tumble successfully, I could do the acrobatic backstab...and then keep moving right? if so.....exxxxxxxxxxcellent. :cool: Yes i think SpA won't remove the AoO for entering an enemies space. And on second look, doing that is the trigger for Acrobatic Backstab. So yes, that works. Only once per encounter remember. :)
Darryl_Licke 08-22-07, 11:27 AM	Yes i think SpA won't remove the AoO for entering an enemies space. And on second look, doing that is the trigger for Acrobatic Backstab. So yes, that works. Only once per encounter remember. :) and by per encounter you mean per enemy...not per combat sequence of, well recently for my rag tag group, 40-70 orcs. no...we don't know when to retreat. :D Why retreat when your fighter dwarf can cleave and cleave and cleave some more.
1 ton ghost 08-22-07, 01:20 PM	upping your speed and springing from concealment. spring attack is great and all, but once you're capable of making a Full Attack, you start wondering if it is better to lay on the dmg. or make them advance more than 5ft. to attack you so they don't get a full attack. prefered method when fighting giants anyway. someone is probably getting hit, better once than twice, right? always spring from concealment if you can help it: gotta' have it to Hide anyway, but when you spring back into it you prevent the possibility of getting snuck attack and a nice variable % miss. mo' speed, mo' better. we liked Boots of Striding and Springing alot, but some aren't keen on the jump buff. so, a good many sub in tumble given slot affinity to footwear. not sure if that's kosher. some just want the speed bonus and forgo the skill buff altogether which makes it cheaper during item creation. frequently, we'd Bluff too and not move the full speed so the enemy presumes you are significantly slower, than pow. i know you already have Mobility, sometimes it's better, particularly at the start of combat, to draw that AoO using Mobility (presuming enemy doens't have Combat Reflexes) to give your friends a chance to all jump in w/out getting clobbered: once boxed in effectively, this prevents escape and facilitates many many flanks. w/ Spring Attack, you're only a move away from providing your rogue w/ a sneak attack or a spring to assist someone's AC or attack
ibayboy 08-22-07, 03:39 PM	and by per encounter you mean per enemy...not per combat sequence of, well recently for my rag tag group, 40-70 orcs. no...we don't know when to retreat. :D Why retreat when your fighter dwarf can cleave and cleave and cleave some more. Unfortunatly, Complete Scoundrel says, skill tricks can only be used once per encounter, or once per minute for long encounters.:(