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Kaiyote 02-27-08, 11:05 PM	is there anyway to get the benefits of both two weapon fighting and flurry of blows to get even more attacks? no back story to this, just wondering really
ProjectA 02-27-08, 11:46 PM	From the FAQ: Can a monk fight with two weapons? Can she combine a two-weapon attack with a flurry of blows? What are her penalties on attack rolls? A monk can fight with two weapons just like any other character, but she must accept the normal penalties on her attack rolls to do so. She can use an unarmed strike as an offhand weapon. She can even combine two-weapon fighting with a flurry of blows to gain an extra attack with her off hand (but remember that she can use only unarmed strikes or special monk weapons as part of the flurry). The penalties for twoweapon fighting stack with the penalties for flurry of blows. For example, at 6th level, the monk Ember can normally make one attack per round at a +4 bonus. When using flurry of blows, she can make two attacks (using unarmed strikes or any special monk weapons she holds), each at a +3 bonus. If she wants to make an extra attack with her off hand, she has to accept a –4 penalty on her primary hand attacks and a –8 penalty on her off-hand attacks (assuming she wields a light weapon in her off hand). If Ember has Two-Weapon Fighting, she has to accept only a –2 penalty on all attacks to make an extra attack with her off hand. Thus, when wielding a light weapon in her off hand during a flurry of blows, she can make a total of three attacks, each at a total bonus of +1. At least one of these attacks has to be with her off-hand weapon. A 20th-level monk with Greater Two-Weapon Fighting can make eight attacks per round during a flurry of blows. Assuming she wields a light weapon in her off hand, her three off-hand weapon attacks are at +13/+8/+3, and she has five attacks (at +13/+13/+13/+8/+3) with unarmed strikes or any weapons she carries in her primary hand. If the same monk also has Rapid Shot and throws at least one shuriken as part of her flurry of blows (since Rapid Shot can be used only with ranged attacks), she can throw one additional shuriken with her primary hand, but all of her attacks (even melee attacks) suffer a –2 penalty. Thus, her full attack array looks like this: +11/+11/+11/+11/+6/+1 primary hand (two must be with shuriken) and +11/+6/+1 off hand.
Tsuul 02-28-08, 03:30 AM	The short answer is, yes. Any weapon you use during the flurry part is not available for the offhand-TWF portion of your routine.
Optimator 02-28-08, 04:04 AM	The easiest way, to me, is to say this: Monk's natural attacks use one weapon: The body. One can't dual-wield their own body. That's all there is to it.
Talcon 02-28-08, 08:10 AM	One of great debate of this board. there them that say yes and point to the FAQ, there those that say yes with the limit of you got to use monk weapons to pull it off, and there are some who say no you can't a monk doesn't have an off hand, and there's both TWF and flurry of blows are both full round actions so you can't do both. I just was talking to someone on another way of thinking on it that Flurry of blows is a monks way of TWFing and you can't do it together because its the same. he did say that he did let Flurry of blows count for PrC that need TWF. so thats it so far, ask your DM on it he mite have his own way of handling it.
Tectorman 02-28-08, 08:33 AM	The easiest way, to me, is to say this: Monk's natural attacks use one weapon: The body. One can't dual-wield their own body. That's all there is to it. No, that is not all there is to it*. As said above, it's a popular debate with all sorts of issues (TWF + FoB, TWF = FoB, etc.). I will say this: people will alwasy point to where it says that Monks don't get offhand attacks, but what always conveniently gets left out is the sentence that immediately follows it and says that they therefore get their full Str bonus to attacks (which implies that they actually do get offhand attacks, they just don't count as them solely for the purpose of determining how much of their Str bonus they get to add to their damage). Conclusion: check with your DM. There are no rules that explicitly say or imply one way or the other, ergo your DM is the final arbiter. The FAQ says yes, but it's really hit and miss as to the FAQ's accuracy, ergo check with your DM. The forum board members will give you every sort of answer, so see your DM. *I realize that you said "The easiest way, to me,...", so yeah, that may be all there is to it for you, but your post kind of implied that the general argument was a done-deal (which it ain't).
StruckingFuggle 02-28-08, 12:50 PM	There are no rules that explicitly say or imply one way or the other Flurry and TWF are both extras on a full attack action. You do them as a part of a full attack. Flurry rules make no mention of exempting or preempting TWF. TWF rules make no mention of exempting or preempting Flurry. They're both something you can do on a full attack action. Ergo, they can both be done on a full attack action. If that's not explicit, then it's at least very implicit.
dman11235 02-28-08, 04:50 PM	The easiest way, to me, is to say this: Monk's natural attacks use one weapon: The body. One can't dual-wield their own body. That's all there is to it. NO. Not this here, the question was not: "Can I TWF with unarmed strikes?", it was: "Can I utilize both TWF and Flurry?" The answer is yes, as Strucking so laid out plainly.