Monk's Bonus Feats at Later Levels? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Monk's Bonus Feats at Later Levels? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Orenmir
08-22-07, 10:40 AM If a Monk passes on one of his bonus feats (because he took a different one), can he take it at a later level without meeting the requirements?

For instance...

At level one, he takes Imp Grapple instead of Stunning Fist. Does he have to wait until level 11 before he can take Stunning Fist (a prereq is BAB +8)?

RAW would seem to suggest he does; but, it really doesn't seem logical.
Kouk
08-22-07, 10:55 AM If a Monk passes on one of his bonus feats (because he took a different one), can he take it at a later level without meeting the requirements?

For instance...

At level one, he takes Imp Grapple instead of Stunning Fist. Does he have to wait until level 11 before he can take Stunning Fist (a prereq is BAB +8)?

RAW would seem to suggest he does; but, it really doesn't seem logical.

Unfortunately, a Monk would have to wait.

Perhaps it would help if you think of his Bonus Feats as indicating the martial arts style he was trained in, and having to take feats outside of that is as difficult as normal.
Hsien
08-22-07, 10:58 AM Unless specifically noted as part of a bonus feat, all pre-reqs must be met.

The monk's bonus feats indicate a style of combat they have trained in and do not need to meet the requirments.
If the monk does not acquire the feat as a bonus, then all pre-req's must be met before becoming available.

So for your example, the monk trained mor ein grappling techniques and was able to take Imp Grapple.
Stunning Fist was not as rigourously trained during that timeframe, so it will cost a slot to acquire and the pre-req's met.
ShanxAlot
08-22-07, 03:53 PM Something you could bring up with the GM is that in the Rokugan setting the Bonus Monk feats can be "any monk feat" similar to the way a Fighter gets fighter bonus feats. As far as i know it's the only setting that uses this but it would make sense, however the counter argument is that your particular school/monastery/etc only emphasizes certain arts limiting your choices to those listed.
imakuni67
08-31-07, 03:48 PM But realistically, it's not going to be something off the wall or requires a lot of prerequisites. You aren't going to get spring attack or spell penetration!
Jay_Ibero_911
09-02-07, 02:06 PM But realistically, it's not going to be something off the wall or requires a lot of prerequisites. You aren't going to get spring attack or spell penetration!

Spell Penetration has NO prerequisites. A 1st level barbarian could take Spell Penetration if he wanted too.
imakuni67
09-03-07, 11:07 AM Spell Penetration has NO prerequisites. A 1st level barbarian could take Spell Penetration if he wanted too.

But I'm saying as a BONUS feat, a monk shouldn't get spell penetration.

Look at oriental adventures for options on monk feat. You can basically choose from a group of feats for 1, 2, and 6th level, without meeting requirements. And you get martial arts styles, which are something to work for but are worth it. I had a Half-Orc Monk that grappled and choked a pit-fiend to death.

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Orenmir 08-22-07, 10:40 AM	If a Monk passes on one of his bonus feats (because he took a different one), can he take it at a later level without meeting the requirements? For instance... At level one, he takes Imp Grapple instead of Stunning Fist. Does he have to wait until level 11 before he can take Stunning Fist (a prereq is BAB +8)? RAW would seem to suggest he does; but, it really doesn't seem logical.
Kouk 08-22-07, 10:55 AM	If a Monk passes on one of his bonus feats (because he took a different one), can he take it at a later level without meeting the requirements? For instance... At level one, he takes Imp Grapple instead of Stunning Fist. Does he have to wait until level 11 before he can take Stunning Fist (a prereq is BAB +8)? RAW would seem to suggest he does; but, it really doesn't seem logical. Unfortunately, a Monk would have to wait. Perhaps it would help if you think of his Bonus Feats as indicating the martial arts style he was trained in, and having to take feats outside of that is as difficult as normal.
Hsien 08-22-07, 10:58 AM	Unless specifically noted as part of a bonus feat, all pre-reqs must be met. The monk's bonus feats indicate a style of combat they have trained in and do not need to meet the requirments. If the monk does not acquire the feat as a bonus, then all pre-req's must be met before becoming available. So for your example, the monk trained mor ein grappling techniques and was able to take Imp Grapple. Stunning Fist was not as rigourously trained during that timeframe, so it will cost a slot to acquire and the pre-req's met.
ShanxAlot 08-22-07, 03:53 PM	Something you could bring up with the GM is that in the Rokugan setting the Bonus Monk feats can be "any monk feat" similar to the way a Fighter gets fighter bonus feats. As far as i know it's the only setting that uses this but it would make sense, however the counter argument is that your particular school/monastery/etc only emphasizes certain arts limiting your choices to those listed.
imakuni67 08-31-07, 03:48 PM	But realistically, it's not going to be something off the wall or requires a lot of prerequisites. You aren't going to get spring attack or spell penetration!
Jay_Ibero_911 09-02-07, 02:06 PM	But realistically, it's not going to be something off the wall or requires a lot of prerequisites. You aren't going to get spring attack or spell penetration! Spell Penetration has NO prerequisites. A 1st level barbarian could take Spell Penetration if he wanted too.
imakuni67 09-03-07, 11:07 AM	Spell Penetration has NO prerequisites. A 1st level barbarian could take Spell Penetration if he wanted too. But I'm saying as a BONUS feat, a monk shouldn't get spell penetration. Look at oriental adventures for options on monk feat. You can basically choose from a group of feats for 1, 2, and 6th level, without meeting requirements. And you get martial arts styles, which are something to work for but are worth it. I had a Half-Orc Monk that grappled and choked a pit-fiend to death.