New Binder Feat [Archive] - Wizards Community

New Binder Feat [Archive] - Wizards Community

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EpicEvokerElf
12-27-06, 05:10 PM Here's an idea for a feat for Binders (Tome of Magic):

Improved Vestige Capacity
Your soul can contain more vestiges than that of most binders.
Prerequisites: Soul Binding class feature
Benefit: You are treated as a binder of two levels higher for the purpose of determining the number of vestiges you can bind at a time.

Is it too good? Does it need more prereqs? Thanks in advance for the feedback!
EpicEvokerElf
12-27-06, 08:42 PM :weep: Have the boards deserted me? :weep:
Soel Griffin
12-28-06, 04:46 AM I'm all for any Binder love, but this feat is really just a patch for the class. The Binder needs to be able to bind many more vestiges than it does already, as well as having the Expel Vestige feat for free. These changes would give the class the versatility that it appears to have at first glance, but really doesn't. I'd also argue for each vestige to offer more powers to the Binder (some even have additional powers described in their write-ups, but not actually granted. Probably removed in last-pass editing.)

However, if you're not wanting to implement such heavy changes to the Binder, then this feat definately helps them out. Even with such houserules, it is still a worthwhile feat.
EpicEvokerElf
12-28-06, 11:36 AM I MAY give them Expel Vestige for free (at what level?), but the feat aids any combos the player might want. I have a 12th level binder in the making, and his founding combination (Chupoclops, Ipos, Amon) only works with 3 vestiges. That's actually why I made this feat.
Pyke_Moonshadow
12-28-06, 11:49 AM Expel Vestige only works once per day right?
EpicEvokerElf
12-28-06, 12:31 PM Right, but it's good for a binder who needs to switch jobs midday. Like, scouting in the morning, melee in the afternoon.
Soel Griffin
12-28-06, 07:07 PM I MAY give them Expel Vestige for free (at what level?), but the feat aids any combos the player might want. I have a 12th level binder in the making, and his founding combination (Chupoclops, Ipos, Amon) only works with 3 vestiges. That's actually why I made this feat.

Right at first level. Also, increase its use to perhaps 3 times/a day. They need true versatility.
EpicEvokerElf
12-28-06, 10:04 PM Thanks. I may also add a feat to reduce the penalty on binding checks.
Pyke_Moonshadow
12-29-06, 12:35 PM Right at first level. Also, increase its use to perhaps 3 times/a day. They need true versatility.

I think that the ability to change out vestiges is more useful than having more bound at a time. I even made a PRC that did that.

More vestiges are nice but having the capacity to bind as needed is far more useful.
Valesin
12-29-06, 01:25 PM I think that the ability to change out vestiges is more useful than having more bound at a time. I even made a PRC that did that.

More vestiges are nice but having the capacity to bind as needed is far more useful.

I agree. I made an Improved Expel Vestige feat that lets you change out vestiges two more times a day; it can be taken more than once. We have extra turning, rage, bardic music, etc, why not vestige switching?
EpicEvokerElf
12-29-06, 02:55 PM I'd say more vestiges are better than switching. You can still be versatile, or you can be focused and very good at one thing. (Like Andras, Eligor, Savnok, etc.)
Soel Griffin
12-30-06, 03:07 AM Well, let's have both! Even still, I don't think the Binder breaks any easier than any other class after adding these changes.
kyeudo
01-01-07, 11:39 PM One problem with your feat: Binders pick up a new vestige at 5 level intervals. This feat would only grant a benifit for 8 levels out of 20.
EpicEvokerElf
04-11-07, 09:58 PM :bump:

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
EpicEvokerElf 12-27-06, 05:10 PM	Here's an idea for a feat for Binders (Tome of Magic): Improved Vestige Capacity Your soul can contain more vestiges than that of most binders. Prerequisites: Soul Binding class feature Benefit: You are treated as a binder of two levels higher for the purpose of determining the number of vestiges you can bind at a time. Is it too good? Does it need more prereqs? Thanks in advance for the feedback!
EpicEvokerElf 12-27-06, 08:42 PM	:weep: Have the boards deserted me? :weep:
Soel Griffin 12-28-06, 04:46 AM	I'm all for any Binder love, but this feat is really just a patch for the class. The Binder needs to be able to bind many more vestiges than it does already, as well as having the Expel Vestige feat for free. These changes would give the class the versatility that it appears to have at first glance, but really doesn't. I'd also argue for each vestige to offer more powers to the Binder (some even have additional powers described in their write-ups, but not actually granted. Probably removed in last-pass editing.) However, if you're not wanting to implement such heavy changes to the Binder, then this feat definately helps them out. Even with such houserules, it is still a worthwhile feat.
EpicEvokerElf 12-28-06, 11:36 AM	I MAY give them Expel Vestige for free (at what level?), but the feat aids any combos the player might want. I have a 12th level binder in the making, and his founding combination (Chupoclops, Ipos, Amon) only works with 3 vestiges. That's actually why I made this feat.
Pyke_Moonshadow 12-28-06, 11:49 AM	Expel Vestige only works once per day right?
EpicEvokerElf 12-28-06, 12:31 PM	Right, but it's good for a binder who needs to switch jobs midday. Like, scouting in the morning, melee in the afternoon.
Soel Griffin 12-28-06, 07:07 PM	I MAY give them Expel Vestige for free (at what level?), but the feat aids any combos the player might want. I have a 12th level binder in the making, and his founding combination (Chupoclops, Ipos, Amon) only works with 3 vestiges. That's actually why I made this feat. Right at first level. Also, increase its use to perhaps 3 times/a day. They need true versatility.
EpicEvokerElf 12-28-06, 10:04 PM	Thanks. I may also add a feat to reduce the penalty on binding checks.
Pyke_Moonshadow 12-29-06, 12:35 PM	Right at first level. Also, increase its use to perhaps 3 times/a day. They need true versatility. I think that the ability to change out vestiges is more useful than having more bound at a time. I even made a PRC that did that. More vestiges are nice but having the capacity to bind as needed is far more useful.
Valesin 12-29-06, 01:25 PM	I think that the ability to change out vestiges is more useful than having more bound at a time. I even made a PRC that did that. More vestiges are nice but having the capacity to bind as needed is far more useful. I agree. I made an Improved Expel Vestige feat that lets you change out vestiges two more times a day; it can be taken more than once. We have extra turning, rage, bardic music, etc, why not vestige switching?
EpicEvokerElf 12-29-06, 02:55 PM	I'd say more vestiges are better than switching. You can still be versatile, or you can be focused and very good at one thing. (Like Andras, Eligor, Savnok, etc.)
Soel Griffin 12-30-06, 03:07 AM	Well, let's have both! Even still, I don't think the Binder breaks any easier than any other class after adding these changes.
kyeudo 01-01-07, 11:39 PM	One problem with your feat: Binders pick up a new vestige at 5 level intervals. This feat would only grant a benifit for 8 levels out of 20.
EpicEvokerElf 04-11-07, 09:58 PM	:bump: