Post/Author/DateTime	Post
abraham 08-24-07, 06:11 PM	this is basically the skill of throwing one's voice not sure what practicle value this skill might have(If you fine people have ANY ideas about his at all let me know)
Khadmus 08-24-07, 06:33 PM	Ventriloquism is a spell in the game. This proves that it has plenty of practical value. But I have no clue as to a potential skill.
abraham 08-24-07, 06:40 PM	this skill is the non-magical equilvent of the spell of the same name.(thussly it can be used in anti-magic zones)
GSonic7 08-24-07, 07:09 PM	I'd say just make it a perform skill. Perform (Ventriloquism).
Shaggy_Shaggs 08-25-07, 03:59 AM	Last time it came up in any game I played, the DM called for opposed Bluff vs Listen to pull it off. Bluff vs Spot wouldn't be unreasonable if you were being watched, though.
T_Stalker 08-25-07, 11:23 AM	I only started playing recently, but wasn't this a skill in a previous edition? In 3.5e, as long as it's relevant anyway, I'd agree it falls under Perform and would be opposed by either Listen or Spot. ... I'd also give a +2 synergie if you have 5 ranks is Bluff.
DracoPhoenix 08-25-07, 12:28 PM	I'd have to go with it as a perform skill too. But I'd also agree that it's opposed by a listen check too :)
FrostHammer 08-26-07, 01:12 PM	My DM says just use Bluff when you want to ventriloquate, and the opponent uses their sense motive or something.
StevenO 08-26-07, 03:02 PM	Use Bluff unless you want it to be part of an act in which case Perform would be a better choice.
T_Stalker 08-26-07, 05:32 PM	Bluff? Really now, being able to convince people you are in fact the king's nephew, are somehow related to Obad-Hai and have your own room in most palaces spread around the country should be something totally different then actually throwing your voice to sound like the governor of the sunshine .. county without your lips moving. ... Although one could probably help out the other. ;)
Shaggy_Shaggs 08-26-07, 10:37 PM	Bluff? Really now, being able to convince people you are in fact the king's nephew, are somehow related to Obad-Hai and have your own room in most palaces spread around the country should be something totally different then actually throwing your voice to sound like the governor of the sunshine .. county without your lips moving. ... Although one could probably help out the other. ;)All of those involve careful control of one's voice, inflection, facial expression and body language.
Tedronai 08-26-07, 11:55 PM	But not the ability to speak intelligibly without actually moving your mouth. Thus, it would have perfect justification to have a synergy bonus from Bluff(perhaps even both ways, though that would be more tenous) Perform would be the most appropriate.
abraham 08-28-07, 07:15 PM	nice work on this skill folks!
ToastedAmphibian 08-28-07, 08:17 PM	Um, why not make it a skill trick? Ventriloquism Req: Slieght of Hand 5 ranks OR Perform(Acting) 5 ranks You can make a bluff check to make it sound like your voice is coming from somewhere else. Anyone seeing you speak or hearing the sound can make an opposed spot and/or listen check (Any that are applicable) to notice the deception.
StruckingFuggle 08-28-07, 08:32 PM	Um, why not make it a skill trick? Because then you can only use it as often as you can use skill tricks. And as others've said, it doesn't really fit in with bluff.
zorgling25 08-28-07, 08:40 PM	And as others've said, it doesn't really fit in with bluff. Nor does Innuendo, but from 3.0->3.5, that got subsumed into Bluff.
StruckingFuggle 08-28-07, 09:26 PM	That's not an argument for ventriloquism, though; and innuendo is a lot better fit with bluff than ventriloquism is.
abraham 08-29-07, 04:17 PM	thanks! I thought that this skill could probibly drive evil npcs up the wall!