Post/Author/DateTime	Post
jadehawk 03-02-07, 10:32 PM	Okay people, I only know of 1 feat that protects you from that nasty natural 1 on a saving throw, Steadfast Determination. I think it requires Endurance and along allowing you to never autofail on Fortitude Saves it allows you to apply Constitution instead of Wisdom to Will saves...which makes it a most excellent feat for dumb fighters (or any warriors with lousy wisdom). Any other feats that prevent autofailure on saving throws?
paladin2019 03-03-07, 12:10 AM	It actually negates the rule that a natural 1 on a save is not an automatic failure?:mymy:? The benefit explicitly states this? Day-uuuum! Okay, where's my feat that negates the natural 1 is a failure on melee attacks? I'll take the one for ranged attacks, too. While I'm at it, I guess I'll take the three for the different saves, too! I am invincible!!!!!!! (cue shattering of 5,000 gallon liquid nitrogen tank directly behind me :D)
jadehawk 03-03-07, 12:17 AM	yep its crazy...and it applies constitution instead of wisdom to will saves to boot...i figure it is a mistake in someone's judgment to build it as a feat but it does require endurance...and who gets endurance, really? The answer is rangers, who typically have descent wisdoms so that part is a little useless...but if you ever build a dumb fighter that has some use for endurance (say as a prereq for a prestige class), steadfast determination is a must.
Jaxgaret 03-03-07, 01:36 AM	which makes it a most excellent feat for dumb fighters (or any warriors with lousy wisdom). A character with a low Wisdom score is not dumb, but foolish. It is the character with a low Intelligence score that is dumb.
jadehawk 03-03-07, 01:57 PM	A character with a low Wisdom score is not dumb, but foolish. It is the character with a low Intelligence score that is dumb. Thanks for the correction...agreed.
Dheran 03-03-07, 02:03 PM	Steadfast Determination only makes a 1 on a Fortitude save not an automatic failure. SD also lets you use your CON modifier for Will saves, but without the 1-is-not-an-automatic-failure benefit. There's no effect at all for Reflex saves. And SD requires Endurance as a prereequisite, so it's better suited to Fighters (who get lots of feats) or Barbarians (who can make good use of Diehard, which also requires Endurance as a prerequisite). Clerics have a solution that I think is superior: the Pride domain (see the appendix in Spell Compendium). Its granted power is to let you re-roll any 1 on a saving throw (but only once each save).
jadehawk 03-03-07, 02:17 PM	I'll take a look at that domain ability...maybe worth sacking a level of cleric, but I've got a question about your first paragraph. Were you adding or correcting something or just making everything explicit? Except for indicating that fighters and barbarians would be best suited (which does make sense) it seemed the rest was already covered.
Dheran 03-03-07, 02:22 PM	Were you adding or correcting something or just making everything explicit? I was mostly emphasizing the limitations of SD in contrast with the Pride domain's granted power. Lots of people just start reading the most recent post in a thread, so a quick summary never hurts.
Nom 03-04-07, 08:34 AM	Luck domain lets you reroll any one roll 1/day, which could be a natural 1 on a save.
Mastel 03-04-07, 10:02 AM	protected destiny in race of destiny, reroll save you got natral 1.
Mastel 03-04-07, 12:08 PM	Dumb luck is the best change natural 1 in natural 20. complete scoundrel
The Livewire 03-04-07, 08:14 PM	Three of the Diamond Mind maneuvers allow you to swap a concentration roll for a save. Since it becomes a skill check, a 1 isn't an auto failure.
Bopple 03-04-07, 10:37 PM	It's also suited for rangers, because they get Endurance as a bonus feat.
CowMasterTrojan 03-05-07, 03:11 AM	Better lucky than dead, from complete scoundral allows you to turn 1 natural 1 into a 20 once/day. That saves you.:D