Permanent int change and skills [Archive] - Wizards Community

Permanent int change and skills [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Evilclone
02-23-08, 07:37 AM If a pc get an increase for the int stat due a Tome of Clear Thought or the point you get every 4 levels, will they get the skill points for the previous levels too?
I think no, but just to be sure about this...
Shaggy_Shaggs
02-23-08, 07:41 AM No, creatures don't get retroactive skill points for Int increases.
ikki
02-23-08, 07:48 AM No, creatures don't get retroactive skill points for Int increases.

Except they still do... just look at great wyrms and npc:s.
I bet they werent born as level 20 liches wearing a crown of int+8 and 5 wishes increasing in further, with all level +5 into int aswell.
Thane26425
02-23-08, 12:04 PM For previous levels no. However, the increased INT bonus would apply to INT based skills.
LSMFT
02-23-08, 12:43 PM Except they still do... just look at great wyrms and npc:s.Whatever can be inferred from example creatures: When an ability score changes, all attributes associated with that score change accordingly. A character does not retroactively get additional skill points for previous levels if she increases her intelligence. (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/theBasics.htm)
Evilclone
02-23-08, 04:18 PM Thanks for the answers, regarding the npcs... well, the world isn't fair :P
strenoth
02-23-08, 11:12 PM personally, I allow retroactive increases to SP for permanent, non-removable (or at least not easily so) increases to INT, but that's completly a house rule.
ciaran
02-23-08, 11:13 PM Monster skills and int... I've found loads that were calculated wrong. I have a friend who has played for YEARS and still calculates wizards skill points retroactively AND included Int enhancements... sigh...
StevenO
02-23-08, 11:26 PM Actually true Dragons with their hundred year long age categories are an exception. While their INT goes up with age they've had a human's lifetime to learn a little something else to account for getting total skill points based on HD x modifier. It is also VERY important from a GMs point of view as who wants to calculate skill points for X number of HD over each of 12 age categories; for dragons the retroactive skill advances are there to make the DMs job of assigning skills possible.

A Lich or other undead probably shouldn't gain retroactive skill increases but if they did it is either for simplicity or an error. With NPCs how many DMs make optimum use of all their skill points to begin with?
Totentanz
02-23-08, 11:31 PM The short answer is no. My group allows it so the DM has an easier time making monsters and the party has an easier time meeting skill prereqs. Not for temporary increases (headband) though, that is just silly. "I know everything about the royalty of this plane. Wait, forgot my headband, I don't."

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Evilclone 02-23-08, 07:37 AM	If a pc get an increase for the int stat due a Tome of Clear Thought or the point you get every 4 levels, will they get the skill points for the previous levels too? I think no, but just to be sure about this...
Shaggy_Shaggs 02-23-08, 07:41 AM	No, creatures don't get retroactive skill points for Int increases.
ikki 02-23-08, 07:48 AM	No, creatures don't get retroactive skill points for Int increases. Except they still do... just look at great wyrms and npc:s. I bet they werent born as level 20 liches wearing a crown of int+8 and 5 wishes increasing in further, with all level +5 into int aswell.
Thane26425 02-23-08, 12:04 PM	For previous levels no. However, the increased INT bonus would apply to INT based skills.
LSMFT 02-23-08, 12:43 PM	Except they still do... just look at great wyrms and npc:s.Whatever can be inferred from example creatures: When an ability score changes, all attributes associated with that score change accordingly. A character does not retroactively get additional skill points for previous levels if she increases her intelligence. (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/theBasics.htm)
Evilclone 02-23-08, 04:18 PM	Thanks for the answers, regarding the npcs... well, the world isn't fair :P
strenoth 02-23-08, 11:12 PM	personally, I allow retroactive increases to SP for permanent, non-removable (or at least not easily so) increases to INT, but that's completly a house rule.
ciaran 02-23-08, 11:13 PM	Monster skills and int... I've found loads that were calculated wrong. I have a friend who has played for YEARS and still calculates wizards skill points retroactively AND included Int enhancements... sigh...
StevenO 02-23-08, 11:26 PM	Actually true Dragons with their hundred year long age categories are an exception. While their INT goes up with age they've had a human's lifetime to learn a little something else to account for getting total skill points based on HD x modifier. It is also VERY important from a GMs point of view as who wants to calculate skill points for X number of HD over each of 12 age categories; for dragons the retroactive skill advances are there to make the DMs job of assigning skills possible. A Lich or other undead probably shouldn't gain retroactive skill increases but if they did it is either for simplicity or an error. With NPCs how many DMs make optimum use of all their skill points to begin with?
Totentanz 02-23-08, 11:31 PM	The short answer is no. My group allows it so the DM has an easier time making monsters and the party has an easier time meeting skill prereqs. Not for temporary increases (headband) though, that is just silly. "I know everything about the royalty of this plane. Wait, forgot my headband, I don't."